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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    Gaius being alive is a massive stretch. How does one even escape from what is basically a nuclear power plant blowing up? He even accepted his defeat before the entire place blew up with him inside.
    An Ascian did it. Nothing else to say, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    Gaius being alive is a massive stretch. How does one even escape from what is basically a nuclear power plant blowing up? He even accepted his defeat before the entire place blew up with him inside.
    It is a fantasy game with magic, crazy technology, and various scenarios that can be considered a stretch in the real world. It can happen.
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    Just because it can doesn't mean it has. Heck, 2.55 was heavily criticized for having bad writing, but your theory would make it seem quaint by comparison. What you're proposing is simply bad writing; it amounts to nothing but "welp it just happened, so there."
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    As hard as I can imagine it being for them to write a narrative that is on-par with what players are capable of ingame, I'm getting sick of my Warrior of Light. All I do is nod, be everyone's errand boy, slay the land's deadliest adversaries, and stand there dumbfound and helpless whenever the plot demands it. They really need to come up with a better way to transition player capabilities between the story and in-game.

    I am the Warrior of Light! I have burned through Ifirit, rocked Titan to his core, and blown Garuda away! I have drowned Leviathan, and shocked Ramuh! I have decimated King Mog and frozen Shiva! I defeated the Ultima Weapon, and destroyed Bahamut's Heart. The Garlean generals knelt before me in defeat. I am the mightiest adventurer and savior of Eorzea.

    Yet on this day, I face the deadliest adversary in my life: The Brass Blades and their rope!


    Honestly, I have never been angrier with my own character's lack of ability in a final fantasy story. It's ridiculous. Even if they took away my weapon. Even if all of my accomplishments were with 7 others. You'd think the Warrior of Light could handle some Brass Blades and some goddamn rope. It's laughable. The might of the Ascians and the Garleans weren't enough to defeat the Scions, yet Brass Blades and Rope were? The writers went a bit too far in our character's helplessness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
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    So if a villain comes back from an assumed dead state (which makes sense by the way), it is considered bad writing? We only think that Gaius died in the explosion? But did we actually see it? I reviewed the CS again and the only thing that happened was he fell to the ground after we beat him, then we fight Lahabrea, then we escape, without showing again what happened to the body. He could of escaped during that. Despite being in ruins, it is still his base and could know what is where at the bottom of it.

    I always had a feeling he would come back, he seems much bigger as a character than what we think was given to us in the 2.0 storyline. The Garlean Empire, according to SE, rather if they are the main focus or not, will always be on the antagonistic side of the story, and Gaius of all Legatus is truly the only one who has interest in conquering Eorzea unless one of the others decide to gain interest.

    Not to mention, I think it is clever writing if Gaius is using the same tactics he did in Ala Mhigo to take down Ul'Dah. They could of just made it where he just knocks down the door and takes everything in a giant new machine and he is all like "mwa haha I am back!", no, he is taking down Ul'Dah from the inside out and then seizing control once there is enough chaos.

    An idea itself is not bad writing, it is how you implement it if it is good or bad.
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    Picking up some comments I just saw, lets point this things.
    1) As on the MSQ and the Trailer, the WoL didnt have his weapon.
    2) Maybe choosing to fight would have made things worst. The WoL and the Scions didnt tried to run until the figured out that if they were capture, its most probable that would get killed.
    3) The WoL and the Scions were really taken off guard by people they trust or that they thought that were not something to be worried about. Even the greatest warrior of all times, that slay lots of Gods, can be defeated if he is stabbed on his back by surprise.
    4) Lot of people said that their WoL was super neutral on his emotions of the events that happened on 2.55. Well that "problem" has been fixed on the Heavensward trailer. We cleary see that the default WoL showing his emotions and anger, and he is us. Just imagine that all he experienced but on us which tenicly is what happened lol.
    5) LOL the writting of the story was awesome, common!!! The dead of an important character doesnt mean the the story is wrong hahaha. It makes things better since we are sure that we will have our revenge.
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    About that Ilberd might be Gaius. I think thats totaly ridiculus, since Ilberd and Rauban know each orther since a long time. Also Ilberd said to Rauban, " you become soft ", words from someone that knows him deeper . So it cant be Gaius. Btw who mension that Ala Midgo was taken by the Empire with the same events that happened on Uldah? You mean that the city state was taken by destroying the city from the inside, using corruption and betrayls? I thought that the city was taken just using the full force of their army, maybe using the Agrius?

    Sory I couldnt mix my two comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick22 View Post
    About that Ilberd might be Gaius. I think thats totaly ridiculus, since Ilberd and Rauban know each orther since a long time. Also Ilberd said to Rauban, " you become soft ", words from someone that knows him deeper . So it cant be Gaius. Btw who mension that Ala Midgo was taken by the Empire with the same events that happened on Uldah? You mean that the city state was taken by destroying the city from the inside, using corruption and betrayls? I thought that the city was taken just using the full force of their army, maybe using the Agrius?

    Sory I couldnt mix my two comments.
    "Legatus of the XIVth Legion, the imperial force currently occupying Ala Mhigo, van Baelsar is possessed of a natural flair for wartime command equaled perhaps only by his sensibilities as a governing administrator. Among his numerous accomplishments is the conquest of five enemy cities, the political conversion of which he also oversaw. In subjugating Ala Mhigo, van Baelsar employed subterfuge to stoke the fires of civil unrest, a masterstroke which led to the nation’s capture without the need for a protracted siege. However, the unanticipated appearance of a primal shortly thereafter prompted the Empire to halt the legion’s advance. The legatus has since remained in Ala Mhigo, where he rules as an imperial viceroy."

    Taken from the FFXIV website: SOURCE LINK

    So yeah, Ala Mhigo is not in ruins instead it is a "future-tech" city-state controlled by the remaining forces of Gaius.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick22 View Post
    About that Ilberd might be Gaius. I think thats totaly ridiculus, since Ilberd and Rauban know each orther since a long time. Also Ilberd said to Rauban, " you become soft ", words from someone that knows him deeper . So it cant be Gaius. Btw who mension that Ala Midgo was taken by the Empire with the same events that happened on Uldah? You mean that the city state was taken by destroying the city from the inside, using corruption and betrayls? I thought that the city was taken just using the full force of their army, maybe using the Agrius?

    Sory I couldnt mix my two comments.
    Source: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Gaius_Van_Baelsar
    Through subterfuge Gaius turned the populace of Ala Mhigo against their king and struck when the defenses of the city state began to crumble at the prospect of civil war, allowing him to capture the city with minimal bloodshed. Gaius earned renown among Eorzea due to his abilities as a commander and his sensibilities as governing administrator by ruling the conquered stronghold as an Imperial Viceroy.

    You say it could not be him because himself and Raubahn knew each other. So, you don't think he could of caused the citizens to go against their king as Ilberd? He could of kept the secret beyond his conquest of Ala Mhigo. They only mention they were war buddies. Ul'Dah is similar that the sultana was assassinated, causing the syndicate to take over, likely leading to chaos and rebellion within Ul'Dah. When it is at a weakened state of internal affairs and their guard is taken down to outsiders, then Gaius would take that opportunity to seize it while also causing minimal bloodshed in the process.

    It is only a theory, I just think the case is stronger because both Ilberd and Gaius are voiced by Richard Epcar and even sound the same in cutscenes. Also the fact that Gaius is confirmed a Highlander himself and we have never seen him without his helmet.

    I guess we will just find out in June, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick22 View Post
    4) Lot of people said that their WoL was super neutral on his emotions of the events that happened on 2.55. Well that "problem" has been fixed on the Heavensward trailer. We cleary see that the default WoL showing his emotions and anger, and he is us. Just imagine that all he experienced but on us which tenicly is what happened lol.
    That did annoy me a lot and I hated my own character for her lack of emotion shown at almost any time during the whole sequence of events...the severe lack of emotional animations combined with the stupid nodding of head when told to do things that would pain the character to do or be opposed to doing yet did what was told with nod of the head and no emotion shown. I liked the story behind the events but I hated my character during them due to the lack of emotions shown and incompetence of the character during the scripted scenes.

    It made me character look amazingly stupid, incompetent and soulless. Just straight faced nodding to leave every time someone supposed to befriended or cared about potentially gave their life to keep me alive and minfilia and even when parting with minfilia herself plus the gormless blank stares at so many of the surprises and betrayals. Out of the entire sequence of events, that annoyed me the most and as for the trailer...that is not my character plus people shouldn't have to go watch a trailer outside of the game to get the experience meant to be in game. They should just fix the lack of emotional animations issue in the game itself during that sequence of events.

    On a side note I wonder what is going to happen with Urianger in so much as the effect will have on the primal unlocks at the waking sands during the next stages of the main plot. If he at some stage either becomes bad or due to main plot moves from there then would players still be able to chat to him about primals and unlock them or would SE auto-unlock all primal modes without the need to speak to him given at a certain stage the remaining primal unlocks became detached from the main plot and so did his character for that process.

    As for Nanamo I am certain she is dead because even if she survived the poison the monetarists would not let her live and would finish the job so she would not become a thorn in their side later, the rumor she is alive being told to the common folk is just to prevent more anarchy while they consolidate their power but once have complete control they may have no need to placate the commoners. I hope she lives...but I don't think story wise the monetarists would have let her live even if survived the poisoning unless SE adds another element to the story in which she has information about something that they need to get from her before they kill her. In which case the monetarists would lead you and your allies to believe she died so would not have reason to try and rescue her and to the common folk told was incapacitated so they would have no reason to create more anarchy while they get that information from her but once got it they would certainly kill her and blame it on you claiming she succumbed to the illness from the poison.
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