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    Delsus Highwind
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    Ok what to say, I enjoyed the ending, and George R R Martin has nothing on Yoshi-P now....

    Also for people saying "Why didn't we just fight our way out, why don't you go to a level 50 dungeon (unsynced) and see how far you can get through with no help. You didn't defeat Bahamut a party of 8 using teamwork did, You didn't beat any primals, parties did. Also without the blessing of Hydelyn storywise we should be vulnerable to tempering now (notice we haven't fought any primals since?)

    Another thing is if you had been wrongfully arrested of Regicide you would want to clear your name, so knowing of your innocence would you really murder people to escape? That would not only show your guilt but add to your charged that would definitly end in your execution. If you would just give in though you could plead your innocence. We only fought to escape after Raubahn told us to. So taking all this into account the events are believable.


    NPCs in Ul'dah are also all saying how things are being covered up, so that's how you can go in, maybe even the Brass Blades are helping cover it up, after all all the Syndicate needs are the common people revolting they know they would not survive that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delsus View Post
    Also for people saying "Why didn't we just fight our way out, why don't you go to a level 50 dungeon (unsynced) and see how far you can get through with no help. You didn't defeat Bahamut a party of 8 using teamwork did, You didn't beat any primals, parties did. Also without the blessing of Hydelyn storywise we should be vulnerable to tempering now (notice we haven't fought any primals since?)


    just something minor the echo (wich we still have) prevented us from being tempered not the blessing of light
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    ....very disappointed overall. /sigh
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    Felicia Meracle
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    Well. I already had suspicions here and there as a player, but not only did I expect things to go that far, but I basically dropped my jaw when Raubahn lost it and went berserk. Finally, someone started taking bloody action on those greedy jerks. Still though, this is just another reason why I hate politics so much.

    For those screaming "Who didn't see that coming!? Are you all blind!?", you MUST take into account that we, the player, are being allowed to see things that the characters themselves are not. This even goes for our own character. It would be silly and stupid for all the characters in the game itself to somehow automatically suspect all the things we suspect. Thou must learn the meaning of the art of story telling and how each character sees things individually from us viewers if thou insists on thinking it was so easy of a trap to spot.

    That said, I'm going to go ahead and put up a guide for that new Trial battle too in the spoilers below if people are still having trouble with it:

    (But before that, let me express my annoyance with the players in the random Duty Roulette finder who rage quit on first or second wipe on a new trial battle that ONLY JUST CAME OUT TODAY. And yet they act as though everything should go flawlessly on the first attempt... on a battle that only been out for maybe... 4 hours or so. Or else... RAGE QUIT! Seriously, to those people, grow some balls yo. Wipes happen, especially on new content that everyone is still learning on the first day.)

    Tank Duties: Both tanks run around drawing the attention of the adds and getting them under the main boss, so that the people operating the cannons can shoot both the main boss and the adds. It's not absolutely required, but it does make things easier. Among the adds that spawn, both the later 2 bosses from Stone Vigil HM will spawn as well. Take a wild guess which of them needs to be stunned when they decide to unleash their AoE attack?

    Healer Duties: Stay with the freaking Tanks and keep them alive. Heal DPS as needed too, but mainly heal the Tanks. There's a lot of adds in this fight, and it's prudent that the Tanks live of course. Otherwise, them adds will be running everywhere.

    DPS Duties: This is a trial battle that'll separate the "Herp! Derp!" DPS players from the competent ones. It is imperative that at LEAST 3 of the DPS need to know how to handle cannons, the snares, and the Dragonslayer towers properly. Any error in timing on the firing of the Dragonslayer will result on you missing out about instantly causing 20% damage/health loss to the main boss.

    To break it down for the DPS...

    2 DPS need to man the regular cannons at all times. Use them to quickly wipe the adds the Tanks round up and pour into the main boss as well. These cannons now come equipped with a third ability that slows any enemy that steps in the puddle it shoots. In this case, these same said 2 DPS are responsible for handling the snares too, which will be needed during the second and third Dragonslayer towers. Upon the main boss about to unleash its breath attack (huge rectangle AoE blast), it's in range of the snares. Get off the cannons and activate the snares. During part 3, the last stretch, you'll also be presented with... explosives... I'm sure you can figure out what to do with those...

    1 DPS needs to man the Dragonslayer towers. You'll see an AoE circle appear on the ground as you get near the weapon trigger. You want the boss to be standing in that circle before firing. The first shot is pretty much free. Just fire when the boss steps into the spot. However, during towers 2 and 3, you'll need to wait until the snares have been thrown onto the main boss. Otherwise... the dragon will literally just jump out of the way of the missile. I know right? It's smart! o.o *Ahem!* Again, wait for the cannon operators to ensnare the main boss before firing the Dragonslayer from towers 2 and 3.

    1 DPS... is backup. Unless something happens to any of the other 3 DPS though, the last DPS focuses on... doing regular rotations as a DPS on the main boss. BLM's are preferred in this role due to having access to Flare, allowing the BLM to easily add to the destruction of the adds. BRD's are generally good about this too.

    Finally, when the cannons are already destroyed (Do get off them before the main boss destroys them and keep distance from the cannons) and there's nothing else to deal damage to the main boss, everyone just start wailing on the boss until the next set of cannons and tower is available. Or the adds, if any are still standing. Don't be shy about spamming the physical LB3 on the boss too, as this battle is a timed battle for the most part.

    If all goes according to plan, you'll have it dead upon reaching phase 3.
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    Last edited by TruebladeNuke; 04-01-2015 at 10:42 AM. Reason: Removed a Spoiler Tag

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    Quote Originally Posted by TruebladeNuke View Post
    (But before that, let me express my annoyance with the players in the random Duty Roulette finder who rage quit on first or second wipe on a new trial battle that ONLY JUST CAME OUT TODAY. )
    I had really luck with my team, but I had 3 friends with me, who had done it before in a team with rage quitters.

    It really is annoying how some people ruin it. I love when things won;t go smooth from start, it feels great when you win, when you first had a hard time.

    Scolding doesn't help, it doesn't make anyone better, it make them worse. Give people time to know how it all works, give 3 people roles, with our team 1 of the tanks did towers and me and other dps did the cannons. when that was clear it worked really smooth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanne View Post
    I had really luck with my team, but I had 3 friends with me, who had done it before in a team with rage quitters.

    It really is annoying how some people ruin it. I love when things won;t go smooth from start, it feels great when you win, when you first had a hard time.

    Scolding doesn't help, it doesn't make anyone better, it make them worse. Give people time to know how it all works, give 3 people roles, with our team 1 of the tanks did towers and me and other dps did the cannons. when that was clear it worked really smooth.
    That's actually an interesting idea. 1 tank could operate the Dragonslayer missiles. It'd be more DPS rotation on the boss too. But that does put extra stress on the Tank that's on the adds...

    Hmm...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TruebladeNuke View Post
    For those screaming "Who didn't see that coming!? Are you all blind!?", you MUST take into account that we, the player, are being allowed to see things that the characters themselves are not.-Snip- Thou must learn the meaning of the art of story telling and how each character sees things individually from us viewers if thou insists on thinking it was so easy of a trap to spot.
    Yes, I know we see things that other characters don't, and I thoroughly understand the "meaning of the art of story telling". I did a lot of text-based RP for a good number of years, so I understand how a plot and story are framed. That being said, if you read later on in my posts how 3 individual moments for just your character (not entire scenes, just individual moments) stack together to say "something is very very wrong".

    With everything the Scions have been through already, all the betrayals and traitors, one would think they would be more aware of things that are out of place, but they don't.

    But then, I was always the person plot hated because I figured out almost all of their little 'tricks' too quickly for them. Point is, there were plenty of signs given to each character, yet not even one suspects anything in the most obvious of setups.
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    Last edited by Malzian; 04-01-2015 at 10:55 AM. Reason: Autocorrect...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malzian View Post
    That being said, if you read later on in my posts how 3 individual moments for just your character (not entire scenes, just individual moments) stack together to say "something is very very wrong".
    I feel a bit back and forth on this point, since I'm of the impression that the character wasn't informed of the personal audience with the sultana until after grabbing the vial from outside the city. The hero was simply called away from the opening of the party to chat with a Crystal Brave, got to the meeting point but got stood up and had to rush back to join in on the partying.

    Why the hero would pick up or even hold on to the random vial like some sort of kleptomaniac hobo is beyond me.


    Quote Originally Posted by Malzian View Post
    With everything the Scions have been through already, all the betrayals and traitors, one would think they would be more aware of things that are out of place, but they don't.
    Yeah the Scions are running their operation poorly, no doubt. I really have no confidence in Minfilia as a leader.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TruebladeNuke View Post
    For those screaming "Who didn't see that coming!? Are you all blind!?", you MUST take into account that we, the player, are being allowed to see things that the characters themselves are not. This even goes for our own character. It would be silly and stupid for all the characters in the game itself to somehow automatically suspect all the things we suspect. Thou must learn the meaning of the art of story telling and how each character sees things individually from us viewers if thou insists on thinking it was so easy of a trap to spot.
    Yeah, because it's not like we didn't see anything suspicious in the events at all...
    Yep... our character totally didn't see that phial. And all the important world leaders were totally not in one place at the same time. And we totally didn't suspect anything suspicious when we were pulled away from such an important meeting to find someone who never turned up. Totally non suspicious.

    But seriously, the minute I picked up that phial we KNEW something was going down. We KNEW poison was involved, we just didn't know who. My original thought was that the food at the banquet was poisoned, but even so I would have ensured that NO ONE enjoyed drink or food until the matter was resolved. But nope, my Lalafell has to be a world-class level of stupid and not inform anyone. Seriously?
    I think that's one of the biggest red flags around, and if my character didn't see it coming she's as blind as a mole in sunglasses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    Yeah, because it's not like we didn't see anything suspicious in the events at all...

    I think that's one of the biggest red flags around, and if my character didn't see it coming she's as blind as a mole in sunglasses.
    I totally agree with you. I mean,


    We never told Aulphinaud (however you spell his name) that there were suspects of traitors in the ranks? I mean... he had NO IDEA... We did... we suspected... and we said... NOTHING?! I mean... maybe we have no names to give but it's something worth saying, you know?
    As soon as I saw the vial... and Nanamo told us about her plans... I was screaming... don't you dare let her drink that wine.

    WHY THE HELL CAN'T OUR CHARACTER GET ANGRY?! I have never seen our character get angry and fight for themselves. I don't mean go berserk like Rauban, but for the love of god at least we could grow a backbone we're supposed to be a hero and we let people push us around! Are we really just errand boys for the plot NPCs? If this continues man, I feel like I'm going to just skip all the cutscenes and do the content that I like because the story doesn't reflect the way *I* feel I should be reacting.

    And seriously... I'm a white mage. Why couldn't I raise her? =p (I am somewhat joking here.)


    Anyway... I seriously want some heads on a plate and I seriously hope you don't disappoint! >
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