"Future content will be heavily instanced" ...not sure i like it...

[Forbin]

agreed.. dungeons are fun and all, but its not the end all be all.. in fact the entire reason I DONT and could never get into WoW was because of this.. its SOOOO Boring.

I'm ok with instanced content as long as its not just dungeon raids.. I want to see more events like BCNM, KSNM, Limbus, Dynamis..

I also want to see Sky, Sea type end game and HNM's.. You don't have to do the HNM's if you don't want to.. just because YOU don't like them, doesn't mean there aren't people who don't.

[weeble]

the other open world u was thinking of was Garrisons, they were very fun at there prime, specially remember the sandy one. lots of mobs in waves but acually hard as crap. u quadruple the rate of pops in behest, make the mobs dynamic and i think we can have something just as fun. i not do behest probably since first 3months of launch lol, pointless stuff. specially past 20, that another thing they had great rewards, mannequin body parts.

sky and sea was one of my favorite types of endgame i'd say, they were very exiting and fun. and ls's were doing them like 7days a week if wanted to, that can't get any more casual if u ask me, log in and go do sky lol. beats 2days a week stuff, the wait is the bigger challenge of it and not cool. games need to get ride of timers. i can see some form of this with the quick repops of nm's we have now being very entertaining and competitive. tons of farm mobs and fast poping side nm's. maybe the more farm mobs u kill in group the higher drop rates u create on side bosses. what have u lol, i can day dream on endgame all day.

but like forbin said u don't have to do them, hell i didn't join a hnmls till my last year or so of ffxi after a 5year run, granted i killed all of them prior either way, i thought the same, didn't want to sit around all day for pops, but in long run i ended up waiting for more regular nm pops solo for loot when i could of just been rich of hnm lol. u had lots of options in ffxi to pick and chose ...hopefully this game will cater the same and have so much endgame that it leaves most normal players with the option of witch ones they want to do.

by the end of ffxi life i was doing a split of every 2weeks sky and 2weeks sea, 2 enerjah, 4salvage, 7assaults 2dynamisis, full time hnm's's all week and 1nyzle every 2weeks, throw in few times a week merits and party grinds, some ks and forget the one from cop every week to boot and i was doing endgame every day some days 3diff events in a day all day long. that is alot for most and they all aimed to please lol. by that time i was done with story missions and limbus though, my ls was doing 2 limbus runs simultaneously and shared the loots and poped nm's way fast, they rocked /shoutout. if u can say u have to do one over the other then this is way untrue and u can't be saying that they shouldn't bring out this much content either they should bring out even more this time around. choice is choice.

[Velhart]

Actually, if you have looked beyond dungeons/raids, you see (and shows mostly in story quests) that instanced events have taken place in the open world, I believe this method is used so no one outside your party can interfere with what you are doing. I think this is the concept they want to go with. Raids need to be instanced, assuming you are setting it up similar to how WoW's raids work. Only other instances I have been in involved you still being on the world map, the difference is, the instanced event you are in just not allows other players to interfere.

Also, the HNM's and NM's are still open world and Hamlet Defense seems like it is something open world and not instanced. So lets just see how that works out.

[TirionCrey]

I'm sick of all these people having no f**cking clue about MMOs and MMO mechanics...instances are a system mostly used for endgame activities, cause it's just not "fun" to compete against other people over something as stupid as "who claims first".

Compete for skill and make fights challenging enough so skill actually matters.

I'm literally being annoyed by everyone here on these forums...90% of the people are unable to think before posting and this forum has become a far worse troll camp, then ZAM has ever been...

[Perrin_Aybarra]

agreed.. dungeons are fun and all, but its not the end all be all.. in fact the entire reason I DONT and could never get into WoW was because of this.. its SOOOO Boring.

I'm ok with instanced content as long as its not just dungeon raids.. I want to see more events like BCNM, KSNM, Limbus, Dynamis..

I also want to see Sky, Sea type end game and HNM's.. You don't have to do the HNM's if you don't want to.. just because YOU don't like them, doesn't mean there aren't people who don't.

People need to get that in their head : Instanced content =/= closed dungeons

You could very well have a public dungeon where the "boss" is poped with an item you find and this boss is "instanced" so that when you pop it only the party members can attack it. That's instanced content as well as dungeons.

Can this thread stop now? Heavily instanced =/= only dungeons/raids ala WoW. It just means content that only you and your party will be able to see/attack (like it is right now with behest/leves) regardless if it's in the open world or not.

[weeble]

i think it really boils down to for me not if instanced or not instanced or even a mix of both, it's mostly 1 thing and thats full linkshell endgames or 8man endgame. can't speak for others but this is the major difference to me in them, yes ffxi had huge instanced stuff, this will be great even if it was all instanced. but that is all i'd like to see happen with this games direction to move toward endgames that aren't 8man dungeons. like warhammer and most mmo's lot or all of it is just 6man stuff, and that to me is just /nooooooooo.

[Sephr]

I'm sick of all these people having no f**cking clue about MMOs and MMO mechanics...instances are a system mostly used for endgame activities, cause it's just not "fun" to compete against other people over something as stupid as "who claims first".

Compete for skill and make fights challenging enough so skill actually matters.

I'm literally being annoyed by everyone here on these forums...90% of the people are unable to think before posting and this forum has become a far worse troll camp, then ZAM has ever been...

Chill out, it's not worth getting that annoyed over.

A lot of people don't like the WoW/Rift style of endgame because it removes the need to visit areas of the world outside of instances AND because it's been done to death, and I think that's a totally justified arguement. Having open world content doesn't necessarily equate to competition with others, have you seen *anything* about guild wars 2 at all? That game has a huge amount of overworld content coming and no competition whatsoever.

But no, you're right, just get pissed off and insult people because that's the better approach.

People need to get that in their head : Instanced content =/= closed dungeons

You could very well have a public dungeon where the "boss" is poped with an item you find and this boss is "instanced" so that when you pop it only the party members can attack it. That's instanced content as well as dungeons.

Can this thread stop now? Heavily instanced =/= only dungeons/raids ala WoW. It just means content that only you and your party will be able to see/attack (like it is right now with behest/leves) regardless if it's in the open world or not.

You have no grounding to back up the fact that 'heavily instanced' doesn't mean specifically dungeons and raids, and considering that's the vast majority of what we're getting content-wise in 1.19, 1.20 and 1.21 I think it's justified to say otherwise.

I don't think the debate has to stop, it's very worthwhile for the dev team to see all opinions on the matter, so could people please stop talking as if their side is superior and trying to shut everyone else down?

[odette]

i see ffxi players want waste of time for claim hnms that are ridiculous, or maybe they had ls with bots for monopolize items and they played with bots for lvl up
instance raid could be more difficult that wait for for hours and doing nothing with hnm tank spank strategy
you need back to ffxi seriously
ffxiv is different game

[weeble]

i see ffxi players want waste of time for claim hnms that are ridiculous, or maybe they had ls with bots for monopolize items and they played with bots for lvl up
instance raid could be more difficult that wait for for hours and doing nothing with hnm tank spank strategy
you need back to ffxi seriously
ffxiv is different game

i think u should go play here http://www.gamefly.com/ same cost a month and u can have it your way. no one is really saying they want to wait around hours for nm's ...least most aren't. the nm's we got now in ffxiv pop minutes after. also there are tons of ways to make them world stuff without the time waits.

nm's pop 5mins from last kill works, or even better nm pops every 30minutes even if not dead long as the first one is claimed, that way they can keep poping all day for everyone. also can make them all open world claim like this but like sandworm it pulls u into instance after claim so others can't interfere with it. in reality the drop rate on items should get higher and the rate of kill witch is the fun stuff should go up. also can add many ways to make drop rates go up for people killing them, from how many of the nm u kill, or 100% drop items from nm that help drop rates when u don't get items u get a better chance. this is off top head, it don't need to be the way u say either, maybe u need to go back to whatever game u came from and stop tell people how they should think or where to go.

also like others mentioned, gw2 style should of really been ffxiv style gameplay, ffxi had campaign battles witch might of been the first type of public type style gameplay in mmo's and for some reason they were not added, u want to know why probably cause the game wasn't even close to complete and they threw crap together just to see it launch or it probably would of been like this. also they probably had lot of issue not see happening with there garbage engine. only reasons probably we not already see this type of stuff.

[Sephr]

i see ffxi players want waste of time for claim hnms that are ridiculous, or maybe they had ls with bots for monopolize items and they played with bots for lvl up
instance raid could be more difficult that wait for for hours and doing nothing with hnm tank spank strategy
you need back to ffxi seriously
ffxiv is different game

I can see English clearly isn't your first language, but could you at least try to read what people are saying before slandering them? People who have concerns about all endgame and other content being instanced aren't asking exclusively for HNMs. There are alternatives to both.