Fix Sumnmoner

[Delily]

Exactly. Several people opposing a redesign have argued incoherently ridiculous troll things like "so you want ppl to watch a long cutscene while you summon Garuda?"

Others have said dumb things like: it won\\'t work any other way in an mmo herpa derpa...

That\\'s why the reference to XI is made because ffxi avatars were not over cumbersome, they were decent sized and some even had a solid design. Plus its a concept from an existing SE product, so with all these benefits of using it as a concept for xiv... What\\'s so hard for some ppl to grasp about this?

Seems like the majority of those opposing a change are more cynical than helpful... And what\\'s the use of that to anyone?

If you\\'re going to waste time posting WHY a smn redesign won\\'t work, be more creative than just "hurrr durr i haz Internet\\'s knowledge I can make all the hate flow... No smn chabge , fine as is derpa derpa...".

And stop using silly reasons like lore. The lore is open to interpretation. Some have said " doesn't make sense for us to do that as Scions..." < well then why did SE ALLOW us to summon them in the first place... Come on man get real

Most these people just seem like they wanna argue for the sake of argument... I love summoner, always have, and I know summoner well through out the franchise. I wanna enjoy playing it like its meant to be, and obviously the countless complaints on this are proof enough that others do too

When the team went to design and add the summoner class, they had full access to all of FFXI's design. They were quite capable of The warlock's Demonology line in WoW has over timed evolved from being focused on pets to being focused on managing when the player switches into and out of Metamorphosis.you want ppl to watch a long cutscene while you summon Garuda?"

Others have said dumb things like: it won\\'t work any other way in an mmo herpa derpa...

That\\'s why the reference to XI is made because ffxi avatars were not over cumbersome, they were decent sized and some even had a solid design. Plus its a concept from an existing SE product, so with all these benefits of using it as a concept for xiv... What\\'s so hard for some ppl to grasp about this?

Seems like the majority of those opposing a change are more cynical than helpful... And what\\'s the use of that to anyone?

If you\\'re going to waste time posting WHY a smn redesign won\\'t work, be more creative than just "hurrr durr i haz Internet\\'s knowledge I can make all the hate flow... No smn chabge , fine as is derpa derpa...".

And stop using silly reasons like lore. The lore is open to interpretation. Some have said " doesn't make sense for us to do that as Scions..." < well then why did SE ALLOW us to summon them in the first place... Come on man get real

Most these people just seem like they wanna argue for the sake of argument... I love summoner, always have, and I know summoner well through out the franchise. I wanna enjoy playing it like its meant to be, and obviously the countless complaints on this are proof enough that others do too[/QUOTE]

When the team went to design and add the summoner class, they had full access to all of FFXI's design. They were quite capable of building a more pet focused summoner, yet, they didn't. Another point to think about. There are issues with pet focused classes in an MMO environment. They don't creep up in solo or group leveling play, but they do pop up in PvP and longer term raiding. Specifically, the issue is about the fact that when the pet is down, that's a huge gap in the player's abilities. In addition, pet commonly share the mob's ai system and are susceptible to exploits and bugs that other classes are not susceptible to.

To answer your question about FFXI, the design was not as solid as you remember. The vast majority of the time, the class was nothing more than a second rate healer with a large magic pool, that was passed over for groups unless you had Fenrir for the buffs. They had their niche moments and abilities (every class did), but in the end, they were no where what Akiza has repeatedly asked for. Again, you need to ask yourself why Yoshi and the others did not implement the class like FFXIV.

For lore purposes, the fact that we're Scions is not all that important. Our group association does not impact that fact that we have the Echo, are resistant to tempering, and absorb some of the primal's aetheric essence when we beat it. Those 2 factors are enough to qualify us for summons. The claim that Scions wouldn't do it is purely ideological. Minifilia and the other never made an indication for or against, so the assumption is they were fine with it.

Finally, "as it's meant to be" is meaningless. When you play a summoner in FFXIV, you are playing the summoner as it's meant to be, on the basis that Square Enix defines what a summoner is and that changes per game. You may not like this design of the class, and that's fine, and it does have problems, as all classes do. The problem is you want a redesign of the class, and it's never been indicated Square would to that.