Fix Sumnmoner

[SoloWingMetatron]

I think people are missing the point. We are not saying we want ARR's SMN to be changed to its XI counterpart. We are just citing that as an example to show it is possible to have a more pet focused job in an MMO, and therefore possible to implement a more Egi focused play style to the ARR SMN.

Personally I enjoy playing the current SMN. However I can also admit to its faults that need changing. I do not expect to be able to summon a full Primal, nor should we (unless as an LB) but what I do think we need is for the SMN's new abilities to start becoming more focused on the Egi and commanding it. Which is something I bet SE will do anyways as a natural form of job progression. I would also like to see slightly larger Egi, but as long as the play style becomes more focused on the Egi then I'm happy enough with that.

[Wintersandman]

I would also like to see slightly larger Egi, but as long as the play style becomes more focused on the Egi than I'm happy enough with that.

The only danger is if it is too pet focused then we could miss out on potential dps. Pet dies and you are minimally contributing. The balance is real. But I would love a bigger EGI so it doesn't get lost in the chaos.

[AniCelestine]

Sooo.... you're an scion and their main objective is to prevent summoning of primals (that are, from my understanding, gods/protectors of beast tribes against the humanoids) and you think it'd be ok that you could summon all of them, when beast tribes have multiple summoners and they still need loads of crystals for the aether consumed. Also, if you want to prevent their existence, why your job should allow you to summon them wholly?
Note that above is for all them "our summons should be full omnipotent beings that wipes everything with one sweep of a hand"

As for the elementalist proposal, sure it'd fit more on the lines of summoner's summons cause they are elemental quite often, there being some exceptions. but the thing is, blm is already quite the elementalist in this game.

So this leaves us with either renaming current summoner class and be Summonerless. or we break the purpose of mainscenario by summoning the very things we kill and prevent being summoned for the safety of the realm. Or we stick with what we have right now, a DoT +pet class called summoner

Unless someone has some other ideas for re-designing that doesn't break the game/be too close to a current jobs

[Razard]

Oh it's a patented Akiza "Wah wah Summoner isn't what iiiii want it to be" thread. I would call him a 1 trick pony but tricks are usually amusing.

Next he'll be asking for every time he uses a Summon it changes the weather of the area again.

[Rhaja]

I'm just hoping that the big change we get in Heavensward is taking a page from Iceheart. It'd be similar to Demo-Locks metamorphosis but possibly based off your current pet. And at the very least make a tome that's graphic effect is that it turns your egi into a carbuncle themed after it. Like Ifirit would be red, Ramuh purple and so on.

[Zohar_Lahar]

Alright, if they changed all the Summoner abilities so that everyone within a 100 yalm radius has the action stop and replaced with an FMV of Garuda or Ifrit tearing things up, would that satisfy everyone?

[AreeyaJaidee]

Why are you people even wasting your time mocking requests to change smn by people who play it and obviously want it changed?

There are legitimate flaws with the job other than the obvious Egis and shared class structure of ACN.

Stop trolling.

[Razard]

Why are you people even wasting your time mocking requests to change smn by people who play it and obviously want it changed?

There are legitimate flaws with the job other than the obvious Egis and shared class structure of ACN.

Stop trolling.

Here's a game for you. Check all of Akizas posts, control+f the words Summoner or SMN and see how many results you get. The answer may surprise you.

Have fun.

[Hagen]

The thing is, even if we get 3 new summons, the gameplay won't change, there will be one egi that dominates the others. We need a way to swap and combo summons, like a pet rotation or something. Or some new summon related stack system that increases the more we summon and we use it for stuff like Enkindle. The recast on Enkindle is so big and it isn't that powerful. All pet skills have a too long recast so it feels like we don't actually interact with the pet.

[Wintersandman]

The thing is, even if we get 3 new summons, the gameplay won't change, there will be one egi that dominates the others. We need a way to swap and combo summons, like a pet rotation or something. Or some new summon related stack system that increases the more we summon and we use it for stuff like Enkindle. The recast on Enkindle is so big and it isn't that powerful. All pet skills have a too long recast so it feels like we don't actually interact with the pet.

Pet specific buffs would be an easy way to do this. Like Ifrit's Radiant shield.