Fix Sumnmoner

[tjw]

Okay, smart guy. I listened to the Live Letter, and I was paying attention to the Japanese because I'm fluent in it, and I don't trust the lady they had interpreting (no offense to her, as she's obviously not familiar with the game like the developers). Link the video with a time stamp where he said it. I'll transcribe for you what he said if you really want it. Granted, I was watching at nearly 3:30 in the morning (JST), but I did not hear anything about new Egi abilities come from his lips.

I didn't watch the live letter, but the Job Action video shows Selene having a new AoE buff. Logic dictates if one pet gets a new ability, all of them should.

[Shurrikhan]

I know everyone is jumping for joy because we're invoking the power of Bahamut, but what if we were given something slightly more neutral, like a "Primal Trance" instead of "Dreadwyrm Trance," allowing us to tap into the power of Titan, Garuda, or Ifrit for a powerful Egi attack depending on which one we had active? It would accomplish the same thing that they've given us while also giving a nod to those who wanted to interact with their pets a little more.

I'm sure if I look back through some old threads I've subscribed to I'd find at least a few suggestions very close to that, along the lines of giving the SMN the ability to transfer power between caster and pet while building up overall power each time until depleting it for some manner of burst effects. Siphoning from, absorbing, or reaching Trance via Garuda could then be different than via Titan, Ifrit, and perhaps eventually Shiva, Ramuh, and Leviathen. I was really looking forward to that. This isn't what I'd call a disappointment, sure, but as you said, it's definitely stepping away from some very obvious and lucrative opportunities.

[Craiger]

The new spells do seem to be aiding SMN as a viable caster, but also seem to be making its pet even less relevant. At least by premising our new-resource burst as 'invoking' Bahamut we are given some small element of SMN-ness, but I can't help but see it as something of a subtle dismissal to those who have been asking for pets to be made more relevant, impressive, effective, responsive, and/or generally interesting. It will cut its own path, no doubt, it just also seems to be answering only the barest, most practical complaints about the job.

With everything coming out for Heavenward, nobody should have expected a massive overhaul of SMN... They said a big change, which is looks to be, and we still haven't seen everything... but for them to change how the pets work etc, that requires way too much development time for them to do together with all other new things.

Also, please stop complaining before we have even seen the Egi's new abilities... That goes for everyone, not just you.

I don't main SMN, because I find them boring... but while I'm still holding on to MNK main, I think SMN's new abilities looked very interesting, and will probably fix their lack of burst along with other things.

The Egi's new abilities might be vital for your group or yourself for all we know. If they made those more relevant, and fit them into a rotation, then wouldn't you get at least closer to what people wanted?

Either way, most people I know think SMN looks much more interesting, and they are actually thinking about trying one out again in the expansion. Just try to separate the FFXIV SMN job from other titles, because there are good things about this one too.

[Jandor]

Disappointed about the lack of new summons, but we haven't seen everything yet in relation to new abilities and the possibility of customizing summons sounds good. It could allow us to get "new" egis as the Primal fights are released.

Melee Ravana
Tank Bismark
Caster Ramuh

I mean, my summoning in previous FF games was mostly based on which one had the coolest looking attacks

[pandabearcat]

"Worse?"

Everything i hear about summoners in FFXI is that they pushed one button then afk'd.

Also, I don't want bigger egis. I don't even notice my egi.

So there. I guess if we were to vote we would cancel out.

[Senliten]

Does it matter if they left it out or not? No, why? Because only a small portion of the skills were shown for the summoner. More than likely, because of the level cap itself, we will see at least one pet skill regardless. Be it from a revamped system and the ability being lower, or something around the level 55ish range. Can we all just agree to disagree on this bit and just simply wait for the 3.0 notes to be read at e3, to see about what is going on with our pets?

[AreeyaJaidee]

Does it matter if they left it out or not? No, why? Because only a small portion of the skills were shown for the summoner. More than likely, because of the level cap itself, we will see at least one pet skill regardless. Be it from a revamped system and the ability being lower, or something around the level 55ish range. Can we all just agree to disagree on this bit and just simply wait for the 3.0 notes to be read at e3, to see about what is going on with our pets?

How do you know this?

You can't expect anything for certain from SE anymore. First were getting new Egis, now we're not.

They mention pet Glamour's for a future date as a consolidation prize, but I'm not holding my breath. Once bitten, twice shy as the saying goes.

[Senliten]

How do you know this?

You can't expect anything for certain from SE anymore. First were getting new Egis, now we're not.

They mention pet Glamour's for a future date as a consolidation prize, but I'm not holding my breath. Once bitten, twice shy as the saying goes.

Prolly can just call it simply holding an old mindset from older mmo's on what expansions can bring. But regardless, people are looking to far into what is written as is so why not do the opposite of what the potatoes are doing? Or is there some silly little written rule that you have to bash anything and everything without thinking or being the least bit optimistic simple cause it's SE.

[AreeyaJaidee]

Prolly can just call it simply holding an old mindset from older mmo's on what expansions can bring. But regardless, people are looking to far into what is written as is so why not do the opposite of what the potatoes are doing? Or is there some silly little written rule that you have to bash anything and everything without thinking or being the least bit optimistic simple cause it's SE.

What's to guess about them outright lying? (I'll be optimistic and call it "not following through" or "going another direction")

If they've done it once, they'll do it again.

I know one thing for sure, they chose to reveal BLM over every other job. Why? IDK, for reasons

The message they've given us is clear: Here's the new SMN, like it or not, we don't care, Have a nice day! It cements the reality that at the end of the day only one two things will rule our tiny planet that is FFXIV: What is easy and safe.

If it meets those two criteria, then its optimal for the game. Despite what wars ensue on the forums.

[melflomil]

What's to guess about them outright lying? (I'll be optimistic and call it "not following through" or "going another direction")

If they've done it once, they'll do it again.

I know one thing for sure, they chose to reveal BLM over every other job. Why? IDK, for reasons

The message they've given ME is clear: Here's the new SMN, like it or not, we don't care, Have a nice day! It cements the reality that at the end of the day only one two things will rule our tiny planet that is FFXIV: What is easy and safe.

If it meets those two criteria, then its optimal for the game. Despite what wars ensue on the forums.

Fixed it for you.