Fix Sumnmoner

[Akiza]

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Summoner is the best class in the game, if you can't take it don't try, go back to black mage cause we summoners don't need you giving us a bad name.

THANK YOU!

This again the White Knights have spoken. Stop trying to defend SE's poor design of the Summoner and just admit it doesn't even represent its lore properly.
1st- Enkindle cool down does need to be changed to 120s
2nd- The Summoner's abilities don't even remotely line up with the job lore or its history. The Summoner harnesses the Energy of Elemental Primals and shape into Biddable Avatars. Obviously from the Lore the Summoner should have Elementalist Abilities and Pets should the focal point of the Job.

[Eloah]

...and SMN in XI had enough issues already, I mean I was more like a crappy WHM most of the time...

What you said right here is the exact reason why the summoner in this game is sorta the way it is. Guess what in this game you aren't a crappy WHM most of the time, you are a fully capable DPS job, that consistently deals high level damage. Oh and you SUMMON a pet to aid you. I mean people come on do you really want a class where you are on the sidelines half the time.

This again the White Knights have spoken. Stop trying to defend SE's poor design of the Summoner and just admit it doesn't even represent its lore properly.

There are no "White Knights" just people who can take the job for what it is and what SE was trying to do. No job in the series is ever represented exactly the same, bit as long as the main aspect is kept, the audience understands it. And oh hay, summoners have summons, whaddya know. And who are you to say that they don't represent the lore properly, did you create it? And what are these Elementalist abilities they should have, why can't the abilities they already have be Elementalist ones.

The real issue people are sick of is people complaining about summoner's lore and the way the job works. The job is fine as it is, otherwise players would be stuck on the sidelines, or be gimpy WHMs, as they were in XI, if the job was more "Historical". The community can agree that certain abilities and other issues could/should be changed. But as a whole, no, just no.

And SE, if you see this, please know the real suggestions/issues, from those people complaining that their water isn't wet enough.

[Akiza]

What you said right here is the exact reason why the summoner in this game is sorta the way it is. Guess what in this game you aren't a crappy WHM most of the time, you are a fully capable DPS job, that consistently deals high level damage. Oh and you SUMMON a pet to aid you. I mean people come on do you really want a class where you are on the sidelines half the time.



There are no "White Knights" just people who can take the job for what it is and what SE was trying to do. No job in the series is ever represented exactly the same, bit as long as the main aspect is kept, the audience understands it. And oh hay, summoners have summons, whaddya know. And who are you to say that they don't represent the lore properly, did you create it? And what are these Elementalist abilities they should have, why can't the abilities they already have be Elementalist ones.

The real issue people are sick of is people complaining about summoner's lore and the way the job works. The job is fine as it is, otherwise players would be stuck on the sidelines, or be gimpy WHMs, as they were in XI, if the job was more "Historical". The community can agree that certain abilities and other issues could/should be changed. But as a whole, no, just no.

And SE, if you see this, please know the real suggestions/issues, from those people complaining that their water isn't wet enough.

Elementalist abilities relate to the Elemental Primals. The Primals are the embodiment of 6 elements 8 if you count Zodiark and Hydaelyn
Ifrit-Avatar of Fire
Titan-Avatar of Earth
Garuda-Avatar of Wind
Leviathan-Avatar of Water
Ramuh-Avatar of Thunder
Shiva-Avatar of Ice
The Summoner's power comes from channelling the 6 Elements and Harnessing the Energy of the Elemental Primals and shape them into Biddable Avatars called Egis in the Allagan Language. According to the Summoner job lore provided by Y'mhtira the Summoner should be an Elementalist with the Pet as the Focal Point and without the Energy of the Primals the Summoner should just be an Ekementalist with the ability to cast tier 1 Elemental Spells(tier 2 if we count Heavensward).
This is how the current iteration of the Summoner should work.

[Lilyarel]

^^^^
Summoner is the best class in the game, if you can't take it don't try, go back to black mage cause we summoners don't need you giving us a bad name.

THANK YOU!

Summoners viablility isnt in question. Its the visuals of the Summoner is what people hate.

[StouterTaru]

If they're gonna fix summoners can they fix bards and dragoons too? I don't want any of them reproducing.

[Akiza]

Part of the reason the Summoner sucks is because it plays like an Arcanist with Fester and not a Summoner.
SE should adapt the Summoner from Final Fantasy Tactics Advance to FFXIV

[Sakurakiss123]

every time someone makes lvl50 on a summoner no one understands there strife they come on here talk about why it upsets them so . they get flame'd by people then shortly aftered banned fromno one seems understand that these players do love the summoner and its role it has played in final fantasy series. unfortunately summoner class was biggest if not far the worst mistake they ever made in final fantasy 14. amount of players who are unhappy over top's the players who are ok with what's been handed too them now all this time they haven't moved a inch. does squire enix - even care how unhappy the player's who play there their game no? why should they are big company. what the hack do we know other then fact we've made them what they are today by buying every game they released buying there game's ever sense the games came out. i think mostly players love the games more the game dev's anyway. also have remember there not as young as they used to be so getting kinda old and senile. so gaming after 10 has become awful

so what they do enough dps. fact reminds job is called a summoner. and guess what "Its not" it is a epic fail from the start. arcanist supports two different job's so its extremely hard to balance. rolls system in this game as messed up the system. unless squire-enix finds a way to break the holy-trinity summoner probably wont get any new pets.

and you be stuck with those annoying clay dolls . at lvl50 be very unhappy if not angry player

no one understands how summoner's feel having these small pathetic toy-sized ugly things floating around them that so happen the forums. cause unhappiness a-lot of players are feeling cause of way summoner job is at the moment.

[Enkidoh]

I think Sakura is mistaking Yoshi's admission in the past that the use of having multiple Jobs coming off ACN is a failure for saying 'SMN is a failure' - which if course has nothing to do with the Job itself and everything to do with the fact the idea of 'multiple Jobs off one class' was broken by the delegation of AP into stats and having a single stat control the effectiveness of that Job.

Having two Job roles from one class was therefore always going to be a problem. But I'm getting off track here...

As far as this thread topic is concerned, it's been stated in the past and I'll restate it again here - there is actually nothing wrong with SMN as it is. The storyline doesn't even allow it - Primals require enormous amounts of aether, far in excess of what one mere adventurer would ever be capable of (even the beastmen require multiple SMN's all evoking at once to summon their Primals). Egis are therefore the story shortcut for being able to summon in Hydaelyn - you're not summoning a Primal but a manifestation of a portion of their power.) Players like the OP just need to stop thinking of the Job through a FFXI-prism and actually accept that each title interprets classes and Jobs differently.

Really, if you're going to be really pedantic a 'traditional' FF-style SMN would just have a summon that was a static image that did it's attack and then disappeared, leaving the SMN to just casts Black Magic to compensate.

Something which I don't think people here would be too happy about if SE actually did implement here either.

[Oriens]

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Two things:
1) YoshiP also conveyed his frustration with having to balance pet jobs. I believe he used SMN to explain why DRG would not be getting a wyvern pet.

2) You reminded me how egi fit into the lore as summoning the actual primal itself would be frowned upon and contradictory to you as a warrior of light...

[Akiza]

Summoner in FFXIV ARR is a Summoner in Name Only. What SE designed was an Arcanist with Fester not a Summoner. If SE intended to design a Summoner they would've made it a Elementalist/Summoner and focused the job more on the Summoner and Summon.