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Thread: Fix Sumnmoner

  1. #211
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    The principal issue with summoner is target swap, I think that make a spell to erase Bio, Bio II and Miasma from your current target and then apply the erased effects with his duration in another target could be useful

    For more flavor: It could be fun if they remove fester and give at every summon an useful ability that costs aetherflow charges, it could be some like a DOT for Garuda, a direct attack for Ifrit and a defensive ability that affects the SMN for Titan.
    An ability that let you swap summons without wipe 1/3 of your mana could be nice too
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    Player Akiza's Avatar
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    Rhel Eryut
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    The Summoner is hybrid class by nature but the focal point is the Summons. The problem is melee classes are pretty close to each other in terms of the application of DPS. Monk has the high sustained single target dps, Ninja is like Monk with no positional requirements and Dragoon is blunt damage. The only real difference between the melee is their abilities and animations each of them have high sustained single target dps. The Black Mage outclasses Summoner in every area of DPS to the point where the Summoner pointless. Melee DPS competes with each other but the Casters don't making the Black Mage the default caster. Give the Summoner more reliable Single Target Bursts and AoE Bursts by having Ifrit and Garuda fill that role forcing the Casters to compete with one another.
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    Dyvid Pandemonium
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    Is it me or does Ifrit Egi look bigger in the new benchmark?

    https://youtu.be/ihj4e0QM3SY?t=6m13s
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    Jin Kodama
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    Your right the video looks like they reverted to the original 2.0 size they had planned to release them at:


    Though videos can be deceiving, however they did say "big changes to summoners skills and how they play are coming."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyvid View Post
    Is it me or does Ifrit Egi look bigger in the new benchmark?

    https://youtu.be/ihj4e0QM3SY?t=6m13s
    I feel they've always managed to find good angles to make summoners "look" impressive. Like here, for instance.

    http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/im...r_summoner.jpg

    Quote Originally Posted by TripPsyc View Post
    Your right the video looks like they reverted to the original 2.0 size they had planned to release them at:


    Though videos can be deceiving, however they did say "big changes to summoners skills and how they play are coming."
    I'm sorry TripPsyc, but there was no "original 2.0 size." There was, however, a photoshopped image a user on the beta forums created to give the developers an idea of how big we wanted the Egi to be. But people still complained "No, we don't want giant Egis that blot out the sky."

    Here's the real image and job reveal video for comparison.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbF3jq04c80
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    Last edited by Spellbinder; 04-25-2015 at 02:36 PM.

  6. #216
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    A little more looking you are correct about the photo itself thank you.
    However the devs did in fact say "Egis were originally larger but their size was later reduced."
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripPsyc View Post
    A little more looking you are correct about the photo itself thank you.
    However the devs did in fact say "Egis were originally larger but their size was later reduced."
    While that is true, we will never know how much "larger" the other design was. Which I think is a pity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyvid View Post
    Is it me or does Ifrit Egi look bigger in the new benchmark?

    https://youtu.be/ihj4e0QM3SY?t=6m13s
    I've watched the video over and over and it does look like it. The garuda earlier didn't see much bigger than normal, but in the fight at the end Ifrit looks quite large. Around 6:48 he looks to be almost as large as the female Roegadyn summoner, floating quite close to the ground no less. I've never been one for the larger egi side of the discussion, I was okay with it. But seeing it like this (even if it is odd angles that make it look larger) just sold me on wanting bigger ones.

    Ultimately I want to see the bench mark myself and of course, we'll have to wait until 3.0 to really know for sure.
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    Well here is a HD video of the benchmark. He really does look as wide as the Roe WAR.
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    Helel Ni-frith
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyvid View Post
    Well here is a HD video of the benchmark. He really does look as wide as the Roe WAR.
    Ifrit does indeed look larger in this new benchmark. I guess one way to find out would be to download the benchmark, take a few screen grabs and then load up ARR and compare them to the current size of Ifrit.
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