Fix Sumnmoner

[Sakurakiss123]

don't you all understand even yoshi admite's this class is a huge failure. summoner's pet are tiny and pathetic. summoner can only summon 3 cause that fulfilll role's will the summoner get any pet's no..

if they haven't give ramuh, levithan or shiva egi now then your pretty much shit out of luck. if summoner does not get these pets in the expansion then this make the class even more shitty then already is.


rather it does good dps or not isn't problem "its called a summoner job" and its not a summoner job

lets lay down why summoner-class sucks why it is huge disappointiment to final fantasy fan's all over the world

1: those tiny little claydolls are not what we call "Avataurs" there not majestic there huge disappointiment
2: enkindle is pathetic. only 2 pet's are pet's they use in raiding community. one of them just doesn't get along with the tank very well
3: garuda over shadows ifirit as far as usablity
4: i wont complain about heal and raise sense this class breaks off into scholar root so kinda need be there but fact as summoner. in later parties often yelled at for casting your heal spell. not focusing on dps rotation.

[Eloah]

don't you all understand even yoshi admite's this class is a huge failure.

What source indicats that Yoshi-P admits Summoner to be a failure. Was it implimented well, yes, but did the player base react as expected, no.

The best way to create a more "traditional" summoner, would be to make each pet more viable, and not so that titan can only be used for soloing, or if you aren't using garuda, people will bitch at you the whole run. I think building in a reason to force you to switch bets would be great. Maybe have it that Enkindle does big damage but at the cost of that summon for 3 minutes, none of this 5 minute crap, and you have to summon another pet whose enkindle hasn't been used yet.

Summoner is fine how it is it just needs those tweaks, and more summons, which hopefully will come in the expansion.

[Sakurakiss123]

Yoshi-P said it numberious of times a "Failed Experiment"

[Alistaire]

don't you all understand even yoshi admite's this class is a huge failure.

citation needed

[tikiwiki]

3: garuda over shadows ifirit as far as usablity
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please do not spread lies garuda gives you more sustain but ifrit gives you alot more damage

[NorthernLadMSP]

NorthernLadMSP, they could also fix it so that unless you have something constructive to say, you aren't allowed to reply to a thread.

That's very true! That would be amazing

[Eloah]

I never said it needed to be FFXI-2. Big summons in FFXI never got confusing in battles. All I was saying is the current models look lame, not even just in comparison to FFXI but every Final Fantasy game in the series. Summoners have always been able to summon massive avatars/Eidolon/Guardian Force/Aeons to fight for them. They have never been a damage over time job. I'd even be happy if their limit break was changed to a big Primal attack if nothing else..

Sorry I wasn't directing that at your specifically. I just notice a lot of people claiming, "this is how it was done in 11", and while it isn't limited to, summoner/summons are included in that. Everyone just needs to remember that the jobs differ slightly in each game. In this game Summoners are a DoT class that controls Egis, is that so wrong?

[wylantar]

Sorry I wasn't directing that at your specifically. I just notice a lot of people claiming, "this is how it was done in 11", and while it isn't limited to, summoner/summons are included in that. Everyone just needs to remember that the jobs differ slightly in each game. In this game Summoners are a DoT class that controls Egis, is that so wrong?

Well there's nothing wrong really. Its just not how summoners have always been. So people are disappointed when they finally become a summoner and they just get a little miniature summon that isn't impressive to look at.

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They could make the summon that did its attack and left just an extra ability on top of what Summoner already has. The class is just missing its core aspect of being a summoner in my opinion, which is big flashy summons. Like I mentioned before if they could make the summoner limit breaks primal. They might intend to do that with the change to limit breaks in the expansion but as it stands its only the 3rd bar of the limit break gauge thats going to be job specific. Also the summons in FFXI were just avatars of the primal summons. They were basically the same thing they are in FFXIV, just looked better and had better abilities.

"Avatars can form pacts that allow adventurers to summon weaker versions of themselves. These "summoned avatars" are only a portion of the avatar's true strength."

If SE really wanted to do it, they could easily fit it into the lore.

[Eloah]

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Wow, just wow. What makes you think that the peole who are defending the way Summoner is aren't fans of the class as well. And I doubt Summoner is a mistake otherwise you wouldn't see people playing them. Does it have issues, yeah, but are they as bad as most people make them out to be, no. Be honest if the job was called, Tamer, Beast Master, Evoker, Caller, "Puppet Master", would you be this upset? You just don't like that the job is called Summoner, and that it doesn't fit into your idea of one. But all summoners throughout the various games in the series have been different, this one is no exception.

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I think you are right about the misinterpretation,. While Summoner and Scholar stemming form Arcanist isnt bad, the way it was implimented was a failure. Though i for one hope they try again, learn from your mistakes guys, lol.

And eveything you said abou the Egis I agree with. Hell I even said the same thing in another post, on another thread, lol

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While it may not be traditional, i like how it is. I can attack for myself and control my pet. while traditional Simmoners may of worked in the 2D games and some 3D games, i think SE is realizing that as the games get more involved, having a character just stand there and summon is no fun. Players want that character to do something else while they are waiting to summon or cant summon. Sorta how they were implimented in 12 and 13, you controlled the summoner and the summon did their own thing until you told them to use their big attack. Plus I think SE wants to make the Job more usable. To be honest in past games of the series, with an actual Summoner job, did you really use summons as often as you might think; main series I mean, I haven't played every sub-game. I know I leveled them and then maybe used summons on occasion, they were rarely my main source of dealing damage, once I got better jobs/cross abilities towards the end game.

I do admit having slightly larger Egis would be nice, since yes it is more traditional. But I personally see no problem with them at their current size. Maybe they are this size so they can be huge in 15, lol. Plus its not like small summons havent existed before either. Also could we maybe say it's Japan and they are obsessed with small cute things, lol.

[Amaranthine]

I main SMN and do end game coil. On turn 13.
I find it very fun the way it is. Didn't like SMN in 11 as it was more SMN/WHM.
I love my dots. I can only go with the whole change enkindle to 120 seconds idea.

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Summoner is the best class in the game, if you can't take it don't try, go back to black mage cause we summoners don't need you giving us a bad name.

THANK YOU!