Post pointless PvE abilities and how you'd make them relevant.

[Skeith-Adeline]

Example

Freeze. Instead of being a long range Blizzard 2 with no application and expensive on the MP cost...

Let it be a combo off of a Blizzard 1, or 3 spell.

Covers a designated area in ice, dealing ice damage with a potency of 100 and binding enemies that enter.
Combo Action: Blizzard 3.
Combo Potency 100.
Combo Bonus: Encases the ground in ice, dealing Ice Damage with a potency of 40 to all that enemies that enter.
Duration: 20 seconds

Edit: Inb4 SMNs rework their entire job facepalm

[AscendantManes]

Nah. Some tweaks here and there.

Tri-Disaster's potency increased OR applies damage over time. AND cost decreased.
Enkindle cast time reduced to 2 minutes OR made to run off Aetherflow OR bound to pets. (That last one is a tad harder.)
DoTs applied by user, and damage done by pets. is made clearly visible. (You have NO idea how far something like this would go towards making SMN fun to play.)

[Cynfael]

I'd like to see some synergy between Freeze and Flare that would give Freeze a place in AoE rotations. Perhaps a 20 second debuff on targets hit by Freeze that drastically increases damage taken by the next Flare spell, with said debuff consumed.

At the same time, Flare would have the chance to apply a Flash Freeze buff to the caster to make the next Freeze cast instantly and without MP or something.

My idea is for something comparable to or very slightly better than the current AoE rotation, but with Freeze having an actual use outside of town.

[Vallhallix]

"expensive on mp cost" meaningless for a BLM a class that doesn't have mp issues, ever. Especially since freeze also gives you an umbra stack lol. In PvP I could sit there and continuously spam freeze if I wanted. Actually thats what most of us do thats how we quadruple Cometeor an entire party lol. One freeze just to get them to use their purifies followed by another and dooooooooooooomed. The only thing they should change about freeze is perhaps take off some of the enemies resistance to bind in high level PVE content.

OT: SMN rework it entirely.

[Cynfael]

"expensive on mp cost" meaningless for a BLM a class that doesn't have mp issues, ever. Especially since freeze also gives you an umbra stack lol. In PvP I could sit there and continuously spam freeze if I wanted. Actually thats what most of us do thats how we quadruple Cometeor an entire party lol. One freeze just to get them to use their purifies followed by another and dooooooooooooomed. The only thing they should change about freeze is perhaps take off some of the enemies resistance to bind in high level PVE content.

OT: SMN rework it entirely.

The issue is about PvE, not PvP.

The situations where you would want to Bind enemies in PvE are exceedingly rare, and a slow-casting AoE splat isn't ideal in a pinch. Even if Bind weren't guaranteed to break upon damage received, Freeze would still gather dust.

Basically, Bind effects are next to useless in PvE, especially as they work now.

[Ultear_Milkovich]

"expensive on mp cost" meaningless for a BLM a class that doesn\\\\\\'t have mp issues, ever
.

Lol @freeze giving UI stack.

this is true of course but this is absolutely irrelevant in any situation. Do you really use this crap spell to go back to UI phase? Even in PVP there are plenty of smarter things to do with a better dmg output. Not even talking about the cast time.

I wonder if you ever BLM. Skeith mains BLM in the hardest content (see his dozens of post in the BLM theorycraft thread) and so do I (im maining blm in PVP rank 44 as well). Dont troll him he knows what hes talking about.

Freeze does not worth its MP cost. Having infinite MP doesnt mean that you should waste your MP points with useless spells. You need to associate high damage output for every single MP point used even if your MP is free and freeze is FAR from that

I agree with Skeith 200%. Freeze is absolutely useless in the current design. this spell wtf

[Ultear_Milkovich]

"expensive on mp cost" meaningless for a BLM a class that doesn't have mp issues, ever. Especially since freeze also gives you an umbra stack lol. In PvP I could sit there and continuously spam freeze if I wanted. Actually thats what most of us do thats how we quadruple Cometeor an entire party lol. One freeze just to get them to use their purifies followed by another and dooooooooooooomed. The only thing they should change about freeze is perhaps take off some of the enemies resistance to bind in high level PVE content.

OT: SMN rework it entirely.

Your credit as a BLM already disappeared here
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/m...58#post2084158

[Dyne_Fellpool]

Tri-Disaster: True to its name, Tri-Disaster instantly summons all 3 Egi's for 20 seconds. (Long recast)

(yeah I know this isnt very realistic)

[Ossom]

What I would like from Tri-Disaster as someone who has played summoner.

Make it instant oGCD. Have it Stun the monster for 1-3 Seconds, Bind the Monster for ~12-20 Seconds, Have it increase the duration of all Dots placed on the Monster by 15seconds. Give it a 2-3M Cool Down.

Get rid of Garuda's Contagion skill and give it something else. Maybe a strong single target skill or a DoT of its own.

What I would like as a BLM to happen with Freeze and Bliz 2.

Freeze places a debuff on the monster that increase damage done by all fire spells. Make Bliz 2 require no MP while in Umbral Ice.

This means a new AoE Rotation can be (Low MP) Flare > Transpose > Bliz 2 Until first Tic > Freeze > Fire 3 > Fire 2 Until Less than 1100 MP > Flare > Transpose.

As a Monk

One ilm punch needs to be useful in some form. I have no idea how they could make this skill better, I honestly wish they would just remove it and replace it with a oGCD skill that refreshes your GL or gives you one stack of GL with a ~2Min cooldown.

[Viridiana]

One ilm punch needs to be useful in some form. I have no idea how they could make this skill better, I honestly wish they would just remove it and replace it with a oGCD skill that refreshes your GL or gives you one stack of GL with a ~2Min cooldown.

Another option might be making it affect more buffs, though that would still be niche and would probably be OP in that niche. . .

Yet another option might be replacing it with an aggro dump.