Formal Letter to SE about RMT situation.

[Naliee]

People keep saying ban the buyers.. but it won't work as well as you think.

SE tried taking action on buyers shortly after launch by removing gil from their accounts. According to them they essentially removed a digit from their gil, if they had 10 mil they went down to 1 mil. The sheer outcry about it on the forums was unreal, tons of people came here claiming they got their gil legitimately and the overall mood was anger against SE for doing this. I can pretty much guarantee that it will be the same situation if they ban those people as opposed to removing the gil so I can't really blame them for not banning buyers (I don't think any mmo does that to be honest).

But still you would think SE is able to track on how the person got the gil. I say that if you earn 10m overnight, you're buying it.

But RMT problem doesn't go away itself just blocking them. We do need some punishment to buyers aswell! They're just as bad.

[Risvertasashi]

But still you would think SE is able to track on how the person got the gil. I say that if you earn 10m overnight, you're buying it.

But RMT problem doesn't go away itself just blocking them. We do need some punishment to buyers aswell! They're just as bad.

I believe SE has such measures in place. Sudden spikes in gil will likely get their attention. They won't tell us about these measures, however, because well...


I wouldn't say buyers are just as bad precisely. It's more like Satan vs Sinners. One is beyond redemption, the others are not. But it looks like SE is temp banning them (going off the lodestone posts) which seems appropriate.

[Ophie-Mio]

But still you would think SE is able to track on how the person got the gil. I say that if you earn 10m overnight, you're buying it.

Except that that's not the truth in the slightest? I have friends who have alts. I -and numerous friends- have been asked to trade alts to help them pass items and gil over from the main for as long as I've been playing. It's been as low as 200k and a Valentione cake and as high as 4 mil to get their Supra. My husband and I are 4 star crafters and have decently sized gil accounts but even so, we trade to each other often whenever we need something quickly and need to pool our gil.

Our FC house? A combined effort that saw 10 mil from one person and 5 mil from another and 2 mil from another, all hitting me.
According to your post, because I have large amounts of gil hitting me in that situation, I buy gil.
I don't buy gil though. I just experience sums of gil passing through my hands.

Crafters who make commissions for full sets of armor and robes have large sums of gil passing through their hands. Guess what? According to your post, they also buy gil.

Let's say this: Should an account that's used to seeing 200k receive gil from their friend be subject to such a rule? 200k isn't a lot but when they wanted Supra and knew their other friend had it and asked for it, BOOM a large amount of gil just transferred into their hands and OMG THEY ARE BUYING GIL!!

The system that you're saying (which is just you assuming that people can't gil jump without it being suspicious) would kill any trade of gil, even between friends or customers of their favorite crafter.

[Edellis]

But still you would think SE is able to track on how the person got the gil. I say that if you earn 10m overnight, you're buying it.

What constitutes a flag? A large gil trade? Someone receiving a whisper and then getting a large gil trade? How do you prove they bought the gil? Or don't have rich caster friends? Or that one player wasn't just really generous? Or it's for any plenty of reasons other than illegal RMT?

As for RMT whispers....even if they're able to track all the whispers and identify them as bots, they have to not only have a system for generating this flag (which is priority #1 for RMTers to circumvent), but also try to stop players from receiving these tells, which again requires them to have some system that identifies the tells as RMT-related, and even then you have to implement this system in a way where it itself doesn't become annoying to the player.

May not be rocket science, but it's not as easy as people think it is, obviously, seeing as every MMO has to deal with it.

[Naliee]

But still you would think SE is able to track on how the person got the gil.

It's not THAT simple, I get it. I didn't mean to say that if you get huge amount of money from a friend(generousity, crafting services, etc), you're buying it. For FC funds people can just put it in the chest, no need for 3rd hand really.

But if you receive gil from player that doesn't have any crafting/gathering job lvl'd and no DoM/DoW 50, it's fishy. That's why I said track on. One would think SE is even able to track on our retainers too what they're selling.