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    Quote Originally Posted by lololink View Post
    The twelves are involved, you see them clearly surrouding Louisoix in the T12 cinematic
    Might as well continue the spoiler tag tradition:
    That's what I mean; are you sure that those spires are The Twelve? You're certain that, canonically, they're guaranteed to not be half-summoned crystalline eikons brought about by Louisoix's ritual, and guaranteed not to be manifestations of the Twelves' attributed powers given form by the prayers of Eorzeans, but The Twelve? So far, I lack that certainty, and so I am hesitant.


    Quote Originally Posted by lololink View Post
    the aether that made Louisoix a primal didn't come from nowhere and you don't see him use his staff to gather the aether and use it on him, he was just waiting his death and then the twelve appeared to him
    In Louisoix's own telling of the events he accounts for the aether's source and how it was bestowed upon him.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louisoix
    Little choice remained to me. I used the last of my strength to entrust our hope unto the future, and prepared to meet my end. As you have no doubt surmised, I did not perish. When the cage built from the essences of the Twelve was destroyed, the sky was filled with a colossal cloud of aether... This drifting energy responded to the prayers of those fighting below─and to my own desperate wish that the dying realm be saved─by infusing me with the power of a primal. I became the immortal Phoenix, ancient symbol of rebirth.
    Of course, that this doesn't rule out the spires being the Twelve in any way; I'm not trying to say that at all. I just don't find it to be self-evident, either. I'm still in that gray area of "That could have been the true Twelve, but it could just as easily have been man-made artifacts of a half-completed summoning ritual." That's the line of confusion SE want's us to tread, isn't it? They even used that word, again - "essences."

    If it was confirmed that The Twelve just step in and make primals, that'd throw open a lot of doors and slam shut a lot more. We'd need to start a lot of our discussions over again from scratch.
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