Warriors Viable?

[Gillionaire]

I might not be able to explain why very well, but experience tells me this is just not true. Maybe they have lower defense on their base stats or something?

Well, I don't realy tank high level content so I don't know for sure.. But I think most WARs that are not pure VIT put points into STR where as PLDs put points into DEX? I don't know if that would make that much of a difference though.

[Ashkendor]

I do think both jobs have their merits, and it's really just down to what type of CD management you prefer.

Pretty much this, I know I've been running WAR a lot lately to practice my CD management.

Well, I don't realy tank high level content so I don't know for sure.. But I think most WARs that are not pure VIT put points into STR where as PLDs put points into DEX? I don't know if that would make that much of a difference though.

PLD would put into STR if they don't put it into VIT.

I don't think DEX is really viable.

[Riyos]

bad stuff about wars

No offense dude but if you're saying that your War sucks a bit. War have equal or even better mitigation tools than pld, the fact is that the pld ones are a shield that works for itself and like 3 buttons, while war has more complex ones. For example war's "shield" is Inner Beast, which you must use in certain moments, and war's damage debuff is Storm's path, which is his 3rd combo, while the pld's one is Rage of halone, which is his only combo(inb4 riot blade too!!! it's not a combo). So in a situation like the adds of t10 the pld needs only to halone both adds and use cds, while the war should use IB in certain moments(using it while adds are casting aoe is useless) and apply SP on both of them. The fact is that many wars prefer to use Steel cyclone for damage/aggro instead of IB, and to use SE/BB instead of SP, so the main mitigation tools of war aren't used in that moment. War is better for single heavy damage moves while pld is better for constant damage, for example in t13 the first Akh Morn(12k of damage) often deals 0 damage to me, because i have 70%(or even more, i don't exactly know how cds+storm's path debuff combine togheter) of mitigation + adlo(with convalescence) and stoneskin.

[Risvertasashi]

Assuming I said bad stuff about wars

Everyone seems to look at my posts and assume that I'm raging about wars. I'm not. They're fine. I would be reluctant to enter fcob without one. But it's foolish to pretend there's no difference from PLDs in healing. Wars can take bahamut's favor, secondary head, revelation, etc... but these things need to be proactively prepared for -- on both the warrior's AND healer side.

If you talk to most people in game, at least in my experience, they will flat out say warrior cannot solo tank t9 even with the current gear levels and echo buff. I disagree. War can do it. But in that example in one of my earlier posts, I was just showing how it differed from the healer's perspective and took a bit more precision to handle. If you act like you're healing a PLD when you're healing a WAR they will die.

[Franchesca]

Everyone seems to look at my posts and assume that I'm raging about wars. I'm not.

Your initial comment generalizes all WARs. WAR have damage mitigation, Inner Beast. It's unfortunate however I have seen some WARs that don't properly know how to use it.

[Steady]

I'm just looking at your FC, cause I'm nosey when folks make claims like that. I don't see anyone in coil gear <<.


Paladin has a button for each individual thing. They are easier to play. They are like one big swiss army knife.
Warriors have buttons and ability for multiple uses. They requires a bit more skill to play effectively. They are like one big multitool.

For Turns 10 and 11, our Paladin MT's and my war keeps debuffs up. For turn 12, I begin the fight as MT and am essentially maintank.

For Turn 13, Paladin is "MT" but I'm still tanking multiple adds, while contributing to damage. He gets Bahamut, I grab mini twins, etc. etc.

Our Paladin does around 200 dmg in turn 10, I did 352 last night.

In any case, there doesn't exist content that Warrior cannot main tank. And they have as many tools, albeit different tools, to mitigate damage as others, just ours sometimes requires more expert timing. That and most warriors, realizing their potential to contribute to damage, will risk a bit more towards that end.

When doing Ramuh, I prefer to solo tank it on Warrior because the self heals aren't reduced by the overcharging of orbs. For Turn 9, I also prefer Warrior, though my first clear was on Paladin, because when you aren't familiar with everything, off global cooldown mitigation is easier to manage than GCD ones like Inner Beast.

In short.. even if your a warrior Off-Tank... your still a tank. You can still MT, but your the better Off tank in many scenarios, because you can not only keep slashing debuff up for Ninjas, but 10% reduction up simultaneously, and with the right accessories, give some DPS a run for their money.

And if you want to be MT, that's fine too. There's nothing you can't MT as War. Personally I love OTing because I get to help push DPS and see how far I can push myself and we got some killer abilities through Storms. You could even make an arguement that Warrior is the better MT, because they can generate much more hate/damage while in tank stance with abilities like Unchained/Beserk.

Anyhow... if you got any doubts about what makes Warrior great, I'd suggest checking out Xenosys.

and here's a video of me "Main Tanking" Turn 12 on our first clear. Though you'll see from all the swaps, that there isn't really any MT. Paladin goes second to hold Bennu's during that phase and takes them off me so I can contribute to the dps push.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl-XXhTbMbg

I mean.. if you really just want to be the guy infront all the time, I guess you can be a boring ole Paladin <<.

[TruebladeNuke]

Well, you already got clear answers, but yeah, WAR is definitely viable. Having played as both PLD and WAR quite a fair bit, I can even tell you that both Tanks excel at things the other doesn't. (But again, others already went over that) PLD could stand a few slight small buffs though IMO... maybe. Many people tend to claim that WAR has a slight edge of PLD after all, so some possible buffs come Heavensward could remedy that.

That said:

I mean.. if you really just want to be the guy infront all the time, I guess you can be a boring ole Paladin <<.

It saddens me any time someone considers the Paladin boring. I know. I know. Different tastes and all, but still.

[Hinata_Kenpachi]

Thanks for the feedback everyone... My FC is only like turn 9 or something (not a very high up group) Suppose really I need to stop thinking like i'm still playing WoW, i use to do it all in WoW, hardcore raiding and all. Do plan on playing all 3 tanks in expansion, just got a bit concerned with what they was talking. Long as I can do all activity as any class I enjoy (warrior) then I'll be happy

I don't really have plans to raid hardcore till expansion, just wanted to make sure this game wasn't type that limited you based on class you played, and you could raid hardcore no matter the class. Thanks All!

[Steady]

Thanks for the feedback everyone... My FC is only like turn 9 or something (not a very high up group) Suppose really I need to stop thinking like i'm still playing WoW, i use to do it all in WoW, hardcore raiding and all. Do plan on playing all 3 tanks in expansion, just got a bit concerned with what they was talking. Long as I can do all activity as any class I enjoy (warrior) then I'll be happy

I don't really have plans to raid hardcore till expansion, just wanted to make sure this game wasn't type that limited you based on class you played, and you could raid hardcore no matter the class. Thanks All!

I can show videos of my War doing turn 9 solo tank too <<... but it's kinda dated content at this point. Come to Gilgamesh, we can knock out your turn 9 and help ya embrace your WAR.

[SpookyGhost]

Thought somebody bumped a thread from 2.0.