STOP the Gil Selling Tells PLEASE!

[Mythre]

Thus completely destroying any hope of a free market and completely screwing the economy.

Supply and demand should rule all, it also gives those who play the market an added amount of fun within the game.

Supply and demand works when the system works.

Right now the system is screwed when a Group of RMT/cheaters have access to over 50+ billion gil in reserves across all FFXIV servers. While the average player has trouble making their own gil go past 1 mil simply because "they" have the money to play the market.

Free markets exist on a level playing field. This is NOT level.

[Lemuria]

Supply and demand works when the system works.
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Free markets exist on a level playing field. This is NOT level.

Welcome to the real world. Economy works exactly like this. People can sell their items at a fraction of what it's worth to stores, or put it up on Ebay and hope someone else buys it at a reasonable price. It's called supply and demand for a reason, and it's how everything works in the financial world. There is no level playing field because not everyone is contributing to the circulation of these goods in equal number.

If everyone was gathering and crafting, there would be no market for this stuff anyway, so someone somewhere is taking the easier route of paying for it rather than trying to make their own. Doesn't matter if it's materia or items, the same rule applies for both.

[Mythre]

Welcome to the real world. Economy works exactly like this. People can sell their items at a fraction of what it's worth to stores, or put it up on Ebay and hope someone else buys it at a reasonable price. It's called supply and demand for a reason, and it's how everything works in the financial world. There is no level playing field because not everyone is contributing to the circulation of these goods in equal number.

If everyone was gathering and crafting, there would be no market for this stuff anyway, so someone somewhere is taking the easier route of paying for it rather than trying to make their own. Doesn't matter if it's materia or items, the same rule applies for both.

The Problem is it's RMT/bots screwing with the majority of the prices and forcibly ruining their competition.

Example. Rose Gold Ingot HQ goes up for 50k. avg price is 55k.
2 minutes later... 800 Ingots go up cut down to 25k ea.
The retainers are named Gjhg Lyhjg; Tlj Jhgfhgfgfhf;etc.... Looking like this:

Rose Gold Ingot HQ - 25,000 G - Wasdft Yefgh
Rose Gold Ingot HQ - 25,000 G - Wasdft Yefgh
Rose Gold Ingot HQ - 25,000 G - Wasdft Yefgh
Rose Gold Ingot HQ - 25,000 G - Wasdft Yefgh
Rose Gold Ingot HQ - 25,000 G - Wasdft Yefgh
... up to twenty.
Rose Gold Ingot HQ - 25,000 G - Hhbkhh Ykhkjkjkkjk
Rose Gold Ingot HQ - 25,000 G - Hhbkhh Ykhkjkjkkjk
Rose Gold Ingot HQ - 25,000 G - Hhbkhh Ykhkjkjkkjk
etc...


for 800 more etc... All sold at 1 per.
This forces players like us to sell ours cheaper which they then buy and then I see a guy called "Gtty Khjgjhg" purchase all of them and start reselling them at a higher price.
This is monopolizing the market.
In real life there are government countermeasures vs. unfair trade practices. Just look up United States Antitrust Law.

I have no problem competing with real players because we are both under the same limits. Sleep, Food, etc... but when your competing with RMT/Bots you no longer have that option.
Your a human vs a corporate team with teamed resources. You are Not going to win. I have a friend who has every craft job 4 star w/ gathering and he has about 100mil atm after 4 months crafting 3-4 star items and selling um but his profit margin is small. Only 20% of the cost of materials.
So he may craft 3 artisan items HQ after farming Echtal Sealants for a week (he doesn't dual box). Then sell these for 700k to a mil making only 1.2 mil profit compared to just selling the mats outright.

That's a character with their stuff maxed. He has zero time to do dungeons and his highest battle class is i110.
I truly pity new players trying to get into the economy because it's not just player made... it's becoming corporate.

A completely free market in a video game can be abused very well if the playing field is not just human.

[raela]

You do realize you can take 5 materia to mutamix and combine them into a random one, right? Take all your "not worth it to sell" materia and chance it for something good. If MB materia is that cheap, you can buy and combine as well.

[Mythre]

Mutamix has a really cruddy rate to get good matera. Your better off selling to npc.

[AreeyaJaidee]

Bump. Not just the tells, but on sargatanas the shouts are bad as well. Come on there has to be some kind of solution or deterrent! Most MMOs inability to stop this nonsense leads me to believe that they want RMT and the "don't use rmt, rmt is bad mmmmkay" mentality is just a cover up! Employing arcanic mechanism such as limited blist coupled with a total lack of quick report is just more evidence of this. This shit is getting more and more annoying and needs to be stopped ASAP

[Nghthawk]

Bump. Not just the tells, but on sargatanas the shouts are bad as well. Come on there has to be some kind of solution or deterrent! Most MMOs inability to stop this nonsense leads me to believe that they want RMT and the "don't use rmt, rmt is bad mmmmkay" mentality is just a cover up! Employing arcanic mechanism such as limited blist coupled with a total lack of quick report is just more evidence of this. This shit is getting more and more annoying and needs to be stopped ASAP

There will always be a work around to anything does, just look on how they have to vary their tells just for them to go through. The only real solution is people need to STOP BUYING GIL, until that day happens enjoy all the tells from RMT (I've resorted to going /BUSY from the moment I log in and take off briefly if I need to do something and put back up).

[Mythre]

There will always be a work around to anything does, just look on how they have to vary their tells just for them to go through. The only real solution is people need to STOP BUYING GIL, until that day happens enjoy all the tells from RMT (I've resorted to going /BUSY from the moment I log in and take off briefly if I need to do something and put back up).

People wont stop until you severely enforce rules or reduce the means to monopolize. A way to do that is Limit the highest sell rate on markets to 1 mil. same as trades. And put higher minimum prices on items for sale to NPC's. The value of Gil to RMT will be ruined and regular players can now start to afford regular mats etc. If RMT continue to persist you then put all major base mats for sale via NPC vendors.

Eventually they'll just leave.

It worked in FFXI but they made it way too easy.

[DragonFlyy]

People wont stop until you severely enforce rules or reduce the means to monopolize. A way to do that is Limit the highest sell rate on markets to 1 mil. same as trades. And put higher minimum prices on items for sale to NPC's. The value of Gil to RMT will be ruined and regular players can now start to afford regular mats etc. If RMT continue to persist you then put all major base mats for sale via NPC vendors.

Eventually they'll just leave.

It worked in FFXI but they made it way too easy.

FFXI has no RMT? Could've fooled me.

Also, the only true way to stop RMT is to remove trading. There is no other way. Even if you put every material on an NPC, it would just cause something else to drive up the cost on the MB. Maybe we should just do away with the MB and let people buy directly from NPCs? Oh wait, then RMT will be used to buy from NPCs, but gil would be worthless at that point so we should just put all items for sale on the NPCs but they all cost 1 gil. Of course, even if you make it so people can't trade, there will still be RMT for leveling services. So take out levels, make it so when you create a character you are handed max level gear, max level character and unlocks to everything in the game. There, now no more RMT.

[Mythre]

FFXI has no RMT? Could've fooled me.

Also, the only true way to stop RMT is to remove trading. There is no other way. Even if you put every material on an NPC, it would just cause something else to drive up the cost on the MB...[-]... There, now no more RMT.

Your not going to get rid of RMT but you can ruin the items that they try to sell to make players pay 20mil for a sky pop item cus they claim bot back in FFXI.
RMT are less prevalent in FFXI than in FFXIV because they changed how the system works. It used to be WAY worse.

I am saying there needs to be a player gil cap of 100mil held at any one time so that's 500mil if you use retainers + pay for 2; total 5. And the trade limit... market board or otherwise... 1 mil only (not including tax). This will limit a lot. The guild chest could have a limit of 100 mil as well.
Next raise the item to npc sell price accordingly.