STOP the Gil Selling Tells PLEASE!

[Mythre]

Going to explain this in bullet points:
1. RMT Send tells because they have Product (Gil/items plus they do sell Endgame Duty Wins).
2. Researching the enemy: they make product from Dungeon grinding 24/7. In 30 days a 80 man team of RMT/Bots can amass 1.2+ "Billion" Gil.
3. RMT/Bots then camp base useful items. Shards, crystals, clusters, fleece, tufts, gold, darksteel, etc... only mats useful in most synths and then craft.
4. They then proceed to inflate prices on new HQ gear and drop base mat costs to control the market. The less people able to craft or attain their level in crafts/gathering the easier it is to frustrate newer players and have them think about spending that 30$ for 10 mil. just to catch up. Thus you have the gil buyer.
5. Regular players who know this try to cash in on it thus keeping the market bad for everyone else: only benefiting the few players who are already way ahead in the gathering and crafting game.

[I have every job 50 and all my crafting / gathering jobs are geared. I have no problems making gil but I see many new players struggle to catch up even in one class. I can play the gil game... they can't. To me that's an insult to the new lv. 50 player.]

I want to see them change the market to balance player time vs money.
Spiritbinding is a perfect "example". 45 min to get 6 materia. The New player has to spend 27k at Mor Dhona to SB a set of 6 items. They obviously can't craft it yet. By Market Board: Grade 3 sell for 3-7k, Grade 4 = 20-200k (crafting/gathering materia). On average however your usually only going to make 25-50k profit in 45min. That's the same as running Brayflox HM for 45 min doing speed runs except you get raw gil from monster drops plus additional stuff you can sell.

Now if you balance time vs money it'll make it harder for RMT/bots to sell product because regular players wont be forced into that stress situation of not being able to catch up even just a little bit.

Selling to npc and making gil by raising the amount base items are worth, and making limits on the market board for how much items can be bought for can fix this.
*You know those items on the market board like a bat fang for 200mil? Gil buyers put items like that up so gilsellers of whom they bought from buy that item from their retainer. The gil buyer makes 200mil off the marketboard and the gilseller makes their cash in real life. And SE can't do anything about it because it wasn't a person-to-person trade. The buyers excuse is they "got lucky".

Your not getting rid of RMT or bots. Statistically impossible. You can however make it easier for everyone to be self-reliant. Your still going to have a player market because humans are lazy. I could farm 50 grade 1 materia in 2 hours while glancing my TV no problem but instead I buy the materia for 2-3k a piece just to save me two hours so I can grind with my friends.

Time vs Money will keep player economy moving.
Making the game Human realistic will reduce tell spam because they're going to have 500 billion gil with not enough players to buy in order to keep business afloat.

1 US Dollar is worth 6.21 Chinese Yuan.
So when one person buys gil like 30$ for 10 million G... they make 186.3 Yuan.
In perspective: 100 Yuan can buy a meal for 3 at McDonalds.
A team of 80 gillsellers sitting on 14.4 billion gil make about 3,353.40 Yuan or $540.00 USD per Year.
However to an average person in China... $500 USD is equal to one weeks salary.
This means these guys are botting out the wazhoo in order to turn profits or something shady is going on... like there cracking free character accounts on FFXIV, or both.

[Mythre]

Simplified in above post.

[Colorful]

New NPC Price: Raise all grade 4 materia to 100k, Grade 3 to 20k, Grade 2 to 10k, and Grade 1 to 2k.
This way you can still make something for your time spent.


My 2 cents. Give yours.

So you want NPCs to buy your materia for that price? Wouldn't this generate a lot of gil causing inflation making your gil worth less anyway? Bots could also sell their materia to the NPC, no doubt it's easier for a bot to do that.

[AskaRay]

The things I hear about other servers.. glad the worst RMT spam I've ever gotten is five tells in one second, and that's happened only once.
Usually it's maybe three, four a session (which can be.....embarrassingly long hours)

[Mythre]

So you want NPCs to buy your materia for that price? Wouldn't this generate a lot of gil causing inflation making your gil worth less anyway? Bots could also sell their materia to the NPC, no doubt it's easier for a bot to do that.

Lets do some math.

Grade 4 Materia gained from ilvl 45-55 gear (although bots tend to wear i46-49).

Say you had x99 G4 materia. [99 G4 = 9,900,000g]
1 grade 4 averages every 10 converted. That's from NPC bought in Mor Dhona.
Each set of 6 items costs 28,000g~.
To convert them: SB party with +12 SB buff in Urths gift takes roughly 30-45 min.
Thats 36 materia in 4 hours: profit of 450k~ or more if lucky.

Also SE can set a Gil limit on how much something can be sold for.

The difference is the average player can make money and if it gets bad SE will put most base mats on NPC vendors.

RMT and cheaters are ruining the game just to have that leg up from everyone else.

[Jamein]

Lets do some math.

Grade 4 Materia gained from ilvl 45-55 gear (although bots tend to wear i46-49).

Say you had x99 G4 materia. [99 G4 = 9,900,000g]
1 grade 4 averages every 10 converted. That's from NPC bought in Mor Dhona.
Each set of 6 items costs 28,000g~.
To convert them: SB party with +12 SB buff in Urths gift takes roughly 30-45 min.
Thats 36 materia in 4 hours: profit of 450k~ or more if lucky.

Also SE can set a Gil limit on how much something can be sold for.

The difference is the average player can make money and if it gets bad SE will put most base mats on NPC vendors.

RMT and cheaters are ruining the game just to have that leg up from everyone else.

Huge difference between currency being passed from player to player, and being passed from NPC to player.

What you are suggesting, if I am reading this right, would cause some serious inflation within the game. We need more gill sinks as it is already.

[Mythre]

It wouldn't cause inflation because materia costs that much on my server as is. Except some grade 4's are only worth 20-50k. Base mats are complete garbage in price because they're already botted out the wazoo. And 2-3 star mats are really, really cheap.

All this would do is stop people from undercutting materia below the npc point and reduce the amount of materia on the market. Thus raising the price of something that should be worth more than it's being treated currently from over-saturation from illegal programs.

[Mythre]

Let me explain.

Gil right now only gets introduced into the game via Dungeons (10k+4.5k bonus per 30 min). Leves (lv. 50 give ~1000 G per 5 min). NPC (ick ~4-200g per item NPC sold regular avg.)

The have Dungeon bots: Example- 4 bots running Brayflox(HM) will get 35,000g + Desynth items + minion chance every 15-25 min.

That is:
35,000g x 3 [20 min runs] = 105,000g per hour.
2,520,000g Per DAY.
17,640,000g Per WEEK.
70,560,000g Per MONTH.
Not counting items made from desynth.

And you honestly think this NPC materia plan gonna over-inflate the market. lol

There's more than just 4 bots doing this. Try teams of 20. You do the math.

RMT's play the market to ruin prices just so people will buy their gil.

[Dererk]

Yes but how would you determine the price cause each materia is more sought after than another.

Craftmanship is worth more than cp.

Accuracy is worth more than strength.

Determination is worth way more than ice.

Well all elements resistance is worth less than every thing else.

And probably the reason your geting so many tells on your server and why there's so many bots is because there are people who are buying gil on your server.

[Mythre]

Yes but how would you determine the price cause each materia is more sought after than another.

Craftmanship is worth more than cp.

Accuracy is worth more than strength.

Determination is worth way more than ice.

Well all elements resistance is worth less than every thing else.

But you saying npcs should be selling these when every thing has separate values won't do anything

No.


I am saying NPCs Should "Buy" these from us for the amounts stated.

Sell to NPC.
Not Buy from NPC.