Coil groups don't want dragoons?

[Rysstyl]

I'm the DRG for two different FCoB statics and I consistently pull the highest DPS for both. Neither static has a MNK and we do miss having one, but it isn't essential (our fails are epic and unredeemable by any one person). We (my statics) aren't elite by any means, but making DRG work in a raid environment is definitely not impossible. When people reject a class, it is generally a matter of preference.

[seekified]

I'm the DRG for two different FCoB statics and I consistently pull the highest DPS for both. Neither static has a MNK and we do miss having one, but it isn't essential (our fails are epic and unredeemable by any one person). We (my statics) aren't elite by any means, but making DRG work in a raid environment is definitely not impossible. When people reject a class, it is generally a matter of preference.

We have both, and me and the MNK both do a little above 500 DPS in T10 and T11, so the jobs have certainly evened out since the 2.45 changes when played right. What does annoy me a little though is when PF farming groups specifically don't allow DRGs "just because" - I can understand wanting a NIN if you're not gonna take a BRD, but when TP management isn't an issue (and it really shouldn't be in T10 unless your SCH is Selening) they're really just limiting themselves as well as us.

[Rysstyl]

I agree, I hate being told I have to sit out.

[Skeith-Adeline]

I don't see the issue in bringing a DRG. Gear is so potent now that really, the only mitigation you'd need is a Virus + Succor raid wise. DRG, NIN and Monk are MORE THAN capable of holding AT LEAST 520 DPS in T10-12. If groups don't want DPS, then it is their fault, especially post lockout.

[o3o]

In some cases it comes down to utility. Let's say you have to pick between a drg who you know is good and a ninja you know is good. Their dps is about the same. But most would choose the ninja because they have far more to bring to the party. Same with monk, there have been plenty of times in t13 where me or one of my static members survived a mega/giga flare/ rage by the skin of their teeth. It just gives more wiggle room to mess up.

[TripPsyc]

How strange, I don't see any of the pts blocking dragoons unless they already have one. Now Summoners of late have been treated like red-headed step children, and its really heart wrenching to watch.

[seekified]

How strange, I don't see any of the pts blocking dragoons unless they already have one. Now Summoners of late have been treated like red-headed step children, and its really heart wrenching to watch.

It's not incredibly common, but it does happen. I was looking for a T11 farming party a couple of days ago and found two that didn't allow DRGs (and didn't have any melee in the party already). As for SMNs, it's pretty much the same deal - while they got the short end of the stick on gear this time around, they're definitely not bad. Sad trend, this.

[SwarleyMcSwarls]

In short, dragoons do less damage and have less utility then those classes. So people often think of them as an inferior class. With that said, any group looking to do final coil should have no problems at all clearing content if they have a dragoon instead of a monk or ninja.

[seekified]

In short, dragoons do less damage and have less utility then those classes. So people often think of them as an inferior class. With that said, any group looking to do final coil should have no problems at all clearing content if they have a dragoon instead of a monk or ninja.

Except nothing does more damage than a DRG+BRD combo. And, to be honest, I've yet to see a ninja out-DPS me in any situation. Monks, occasionally, but never a ninja.

Still, it really doesn't matter at this point because anyone who is geared and skilled enough to do FCoB can do FCoB just fine with any class. Min/maxing farming party setups is just unfair though.