It doesn't matter how good of a DRG you are.

[OMEGA_HACK]

I was under the assumption that (player skill being equal) that the dps was:

Best
1) MNK
2) DRG
3) BLM
4) NIN
5) SMN
6) BRD

Now that being said, most of the DD jobs are so close they are more or less tied for positions. Like SMN/BRD, NIN/BLM/DRG/MNK. Again this is if all the players playing the jobs were at equal skill and they were fighting a training dummy not a boss which requires you to move, which is why this ranking would obviously shift and in some cases move BRD up a couple ranks because of its mobility aspect.

Just my 2 cents.

[kyuven]

You say it's well documented? Do you have links by chance?

it's pretty simple to think about. MNK stacks get eaten during phase changes or mechanics and they have to earn them back (our team's mnk always sighs when he loses his stacks due to Charge in t10) which means lower DPS during that time. DRG and NIN don't have this issue in addition to having fewer restrictions on positionals.
So it becomes less "this combination creates the highest DPS!" and more "This combination gets gimped less by mechanics and thus has better DPS"

[CGMidlander]

I was under the assumption that (player skill being equal) that the dps was:

Best
1) MNK
2) DRG
3) BLM
4) NIN
5) SMN
6) BRD

Now that being said, most of the DD jobs are so close they are more or less tied for positions. Like SMN/BRD, NIN/BLM/DRG/MNK. Again this is if all the players playing the jobs were at equal skill and they were fighting a training dummy not a boss which requires you to move, which is why this ranking would obviously shift and in some cases move BRD up a couple ranks because of its mobility aspect.

Just my 2 cents.

A skilled ninja without lag is the highest DPS atm

[kehn]

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Personally, I don't mind dragoons. I will, however, refuse to get pug ninjas for any serious content. They tend to have blinders on, focusing on their timers, combos and mudras way too much and will forgot to do mechanics or dodge in time. Thankfully, I can let the FC's main ninja know when that happens over VoIP when he does that, but I can't with PF/DF Ninjas.

I think this is a problem not with ninja players but the way the class was designed i have over time lost a lot of respect for the ninja class because most players suck at it. if they had stacks or positionals like mnk i would definitely count them as the hardest melee class to play. is just bad design

[kehn]

Weird that parties with BRDs wouldn't prefer a DRG over a NIN. MNK used to be the king of selfish DPS until Dragon Kick became pretty much essential for FCOB. Then NIN with it's Goad came around and the MNKs decided that free TP was more important than 10% more damage from the BRD...

It's a cycle. Just wait until there are three tanks and healers to choose from and we start seeing lolwar or lolsch jokes...

ninjas give 10% more dmg to everyone lol...

[siverstorm]

ninjas give 10% more dmg to everyone lol...

It's not a 10% boost through the duration of a fight. That being said Disembowel also isn't a flat 10% bard buff.

[kehn]

It's not a 10% boost through the duration of a fight. That being said Disembowel also isn't a flat 10% bard buff.

trick attack has a 60 second cool down and buffs 6 people (who are dpsing if you include both tanks) so it's at least as good as keeping one class buffed the whole fight specially if it's the brd which dps is not super impressive. but the mnk/drg/nin/blm which make really impressive dmg

[Eidolon]

it's pretty simple to think about. MNK stacks get eaten during phase changes or mechanics and they have to earn them back (our team's mnk always sighs when he loses his stacks due to Charge in t10) which means lower DPS during that time. DRG and NIN don't have this issue in addition to having fewer restrictions on positionals.

"Thinking about it" and "Documenting it" are quite the different thing, though. One sounds very much so like a fact, the other is unfortunately your opinion.

For example: You shouldn't be losing stacks on wild charge, if you know how to do your DPS in that phase (unless you get chosen for wild charge? Then you lose stacks I think. Not sure.)

Honestly, when looking at DPS, I tend to look more at ideal circumstances than at the outliers where the DPS falls due to a mechanic. Anyone will fall due to mechanicsDPS. I'd love some good documentation if you got it showing some actual math, though. ^_^

[Warlyx]

what? drgs are now good , all the derps rerolled NIN ,half the nins i see eat the floor more than DRG ever did , dont get me started on how many of them fail to use anything other than huton D:, raiton from time to time but thats it.... trick attack? whats that? i cant use it on combat sorry /facepalm....

[CGMidlander]

For example: You shouldn't be losing stacks on wild charge, if you know how to do your DPS in that phase (unless you get chosen for wild charge? Then you lose stacks I think. Not sure.)

You can still save your stacks if you have shoulder tackle