Content you don't play?

[Yamimarik]

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Though, lol, I'm beginning to wonder how many of us here spend a goodly chunk of time on glamour. xD

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Thank you both very much for your insight on this, I greatly appreciate it. It really wasn't so much I'm like "OMG, how dare you guys not have fun on this awesome game like me!" Honestly I feel bad, and I'm more of the mind, "Gosh, I really wish there was something I could suggest to everyone that would allow them to have more fun on this game." That was really my mindset over the whole thread. Probably the reason why I'm not mad at my FC for leaving the game, I know they weren't having fun anymore, and I don't want them to log on to something miserable every time they do.

@Sadana OMG! I spend more of my gil on vanity both for me and my house/FC house than I do ON ANYTHING, I'll even be like "Um.. do I really need food or pots for this fight?... idk if I wana spend the gil." Then something on the MB catches my eye "OMG! I DO NOT CARE HOW MUCH IT COSTS, I NEED THAT RIGHT NOW, will look sooo good on Marik!" Heh XD

[Sadana]

Thank you both very much for your insight on this, I greatly appreciate it. It really wasn't so much I'm like "OMG, how dare you guys not have fun on this awesome game like me!" Honestly I feel bad, and I'm more of the mind, "Gosh, I really wish there was something I could suggest to everyone that would allow them to have more fun on this game." That was really my mindset over the whole thread. Probably the reason why I'm not mad at my FC for leaving the game, I know they weren't having fun anymore, and I don't want them to log on to something miserable every time they do.

@Sadana OMG! I spend more of my gil on vanity both for me and my house/FC house than I do ON ANYTHING, I'll even be like "Um.. do I really need food or pots for this fight?... idk if I wana spend the gil." Then something on the MB catches my eye "OMG! I DO NOT CARE HOW MUCH IT COSTS, I NEED THAT RIGHT NOW, will look sooo good on Marik!" Heh XD

See... I'm having a blast even 1.5 (and change) years into the game! My FC is still growing too as we meet more wonderfully friendly people. (So lucky!) For me, if I see something I want for glam or omgIneedthatformyhouse, I go and level said class in order to make the item. XD

Oh... plus alts... >.>; I've got like, ten... or so. It's fun to play as different races without paying for Fantasia pots or just to visit other servers once in a while. ^^ And there's that new-to-game, pure chilling-while-leveling feeling that I enjoy so much too.

One more thing... ^^; Here is my goal list from my blog:

1. just do what seems fun at the time. ^^
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^^v

[Bluevann]

Thank you both very much for your insight on this, I greatly appreciate it. It really wasn't so much I'm like "OMG, how dare you guys not have fun on this awesome game like me!" Honestly I feel bad, and I'm more of the mind, "Gosh, I really wish there was something I could suggest to everyone that would allow them to have more fun on this game."

Thing is, we ARE having fun! Just because we don't do all of the game, doesn't mean we're not enjoying it. It'd be like saying that if someone doesn't do everything that there's to do in the world, then he isn't enjoying life. I do very few things IRL, and I'm still having a blast at it.

Plus, there's the pleasure of satire. My friends and I have a lot of fun at pointing out at flaws (what we consider flaws, mind you) in the game or things we'd like to see improved or changed (for example, the fact that the sea is always so flat even during thunderstorms). We make jokes about them and about what reasons SE could have for making the game a certain way.

Often too many times though, when I do this with someone who isn't used to this kind of humor, someone usually out of my FC, I get reactions like "if you dislike all those things, why don't you leave?" or "hater hater hater" or "Yoshida didn't have to give us all these nice things, be grateful and content with what we have!" "You only complain, just quit!" etcetera. It is a rather sad reaction to me. Sure, I talk about things I don't like more than I do of things I do like, but that's just because that's what it is. Why discuss of things I do like? They don't need a change to me, so I don't need to bring them up. Long as it doesn't bloom into personal insults to Yoshida or the developers or players who do enjoy the parts of the games I do not (example: This content is so retarded I feel SE only added it to make those <insertnonsensicalinsult here> <categoryofplayers>!), I see criticism as a sign of love for the game. Because only if you really care for the game, you'll take a moment to look at certain details and bring them up for discussions.

There's many other things I'd like to add on the topic, because I'm sensitive to the misconception that dev-requests/suggestions threads = hate and ill feelings, but I'll just end it here.

If you have doubts whether or not someone is playing something he's having fun with, simply look at the fact that he IS paying for the game and playing. People don't pay for things they do not enjoy in a sufficient way to deem it worth the cash. Just like with marriage.

[Yamimarik]

Thing is, we ARE having fun! Just because we don't do all of the game, doesn't mean we're not enjoying it. It'd be like saying that if someone doesn't do everything that there's to do in the world, then he isn't enjoying life. I do very few things IRL, and I'm still having a blast at it.

Plus, there's the pleasure of satire. My friends and I have a lot of fun at pointing out at flaws (what we consider flaws, mind you) in the game or things we'd like to see improved or changed (for example, the fact that the sea is always so flat even during thunderstorms). We make jokes about them and about what reasons SE could have for making the game a certain way.

Often too many times though, when I do this with someone who isn't used to this kind of humor, someone usually out of my FC, I get reactions like "if you dislike all those things, why don't you leave?" or "hater hater hater" or "Yoshida didn't have to give us all these nice things, be grateful and content with what we have!" "You only complain, just quit!" etcetera. It is a rather sad reaction to me. Sure, I talk about things I don't like more than I do of things I do like, but that's just because that's what it is. Why discuss of things I do like? They don't need a change to me, so I don't need to bring them up. Long as it doesn't bloom into personal insults to Yoshida or the developers or players who do enjoy the parts of the games I do not (example: This content is so retarded I feel SE only added it to make those <insertnonsensicalinsult here> <categoryofplayers>!), I see criticism as a sign of love for the game. Because only if you really care for the game, you'll take a moment to look at certain details and bring them up for discussions.

There's many other things I'd like to add on the topic, because I'm sensitive to the misconception that dev-requests/suggestions threads = hate and ill feelings, but I'll just end it here.

If you have doubts whether or not someone is playing something he's having fun with, simply look at the fact that he IS paying for the game and playing. People don't pay for things they do not enjoy in a sufficient way to deem it worth the cash. Just like with marriage.

Well first off, I really wasn't trying to condescend to anyone at all by what I was saying, and made that as crystal clear as I could in my very first post. And I wasn't really quoting anyone specifically, just some of the posts seemed to be very down, not happy-ish, and maybe even lethargic about it. I'm sorry, I personally don't understand what you're coming from. I personally don't take any kind of pleasure in "pointing out flaws" in things, unless someone specifically asks for constructive criticism which I do not mind giving. If it can be constructive then it may have a means of helping the flaw or issue out. But to just flat out poke and make fun of something to do that, isn't that just basically bullying in it's most basic form?

I'm sorry but your post (since you decided to quote me) has me extremely confused as to what you're trying to say or to convey to me. Also, I would personally find it rude, if you were to act that way towards someone that wasn't inside your personal joke, by picking at something they like. I would get frustrated myself without the proper knowledge of what was causing you to act such a way infront of me.

Plus I never said that dev requests or suggestions in the form of threads meant that there was hatred and malice intention behind the people who make such threads...
There are things in this game I'm not 100% happy with, I don't hate, but I wouldn't mind maybe seeing a change for the better. And if there is an issue that arises I do try to give constructive criticism as honestly as I can with knowing the issue at hand as 100% as I can. I never just blindly go "Oh I hate this because I personally just hate it, and it should be changed just for me!"

Again I'm not really 100% sure exactly what you're trying to convey to me here.

[Bluevann]

Well first off,

I wasn't attacking you with my post, only expanding the points other players made. I'm sorry you took it as an attack just because I quoted you. You said you wished how to make the game more fun to people, I explained that we already are having fun. It was a "I agree, and...!" post, not an argument post. But then again, maybe you're defensive because we often had opposed opinions in other threads. I come in peace, rest assured.

[Yamimarik]

I wasn't attacking you with my post, only expanding the points other players made. I'm sorry you took it as an attack just because I quoted you.

I'm sorry I never meant to come off that way, I didn't think you were trying to personally attack me. Like I said in my first post I rarely post in threads such as these. But I was just genuinely curious about why people play things that "seem" to me the way they explain it in typed form, that it doesn't seem they even enjoy anything anymore. And I did get two responses earlier that did shed a little light on my confusion, but I just wasn't sure what your post directed at me since you quoted me, was trying to convey to me. I was just confused was all, and just wanted clarification.

[Saseal]

Thank you both very much for your insight on this, I greatly appreciate it. It really wasn't so much I'm like "OMG, how dare you guys not have fun on this awesome game like me!" Honestly I feel bad, and I'm more of the mind, "Gosh, I really wish there was something I could suggest to everyone that would allow them to have more fun on this game."

No worries, I never took it as such - and I'm sure most others haven't (there will always be those few) ^^ You were pretty clear that it wasn't intended an an 'ermagherdwtfspeepsyuevenplay'. Don't worry so much
Also, sorry to hear about your FC x.x /soothe

[TruebladeNuke]

Looking at the recent discussion, I have to admit I don't find much humor in always picking out flaws and poking at it. Depending on how you word things, it could come off as offensive pretty quick like. Course, it could also just be my tainted view on humanity in general. I've seen and dealt with too many trolls in my life here on the internet.

Personally, I'd rather that people discuss the things they like, rather than the things they hate. If people just focus on talking about the things they hate, it makes it LOOK like they just hate the game in general, which is often the vibe I typically get from such discussions. But if people discuss things they like, we actually see for clear fact on forum discussion that yes, people actually ARE enjoying the content. I've never understood the reason to be silent about the things you like and only discuss the things you hate. It just screams "BACKWARDS!" to me. Course... I suppose if no one criticizes, then there's nothing to munch on to get better at your work either. Sadly, one of my tainted views on humanity stems from caustic criticism. (I'm talking the reviews on which the person pulls no punches and talks as much trash as possible about the product)

But that's just me. I know, I know. Different strokes for different people. At least the discussion ended well enough.

I suppose since I'm posting in here again, I may as well add that I've also been ignoring Chocobo racing lately, since I don't feel like sinking in tons of MGP and gil on it yet. But what little racing I did I enjoyed. Perhaps I'll race more in the future.

[Bluevann]

But that's just me. I know, I know.

Agree, but see, much like satire, complaining and talking of things that put us off is something people enjoy and have fun with. It is no coincidence that threads where people express their feelings towards something they find off in the game are extensively long-lived, while threads like "Thanks to SE!" or "So why do you play?" or "Things I like in the game!" get fewer answer and disappear a lot sooner. It's how human's sense of humor works, and it doesn't make you a bad person to enjoy complaints or criticism (which are not the same thing, unlike a lot of people think). Watch some stand up comedy, George Carlin, Jim Gaffigan, the principle is the same.

I suppose I'd have to write down what kind of jokes we make to really make you understand, but they're many and each requires background explanations, and I'd rather not derail the thread further.