135 weapon damage scaling

[kehn]

oddly enough going from the high allagan weapon for mnk to the 135 relic (with crit and det) i feel like i'm missing some skill speed.. is really weird cause i hate skill speed and i was using those weapons cause my only other option was acc (which i have way too much of) from shiva before i started working on relic. but for some reason i'm feeling heavy and like my GCD is taking longer... maybe that handfull of ss was just enough for that "sweet spot" i'll do more testing about it in the future.

[gamesmart]

lol

I guess if you're refusing to even bother to look up what I'm talking about and have a meaningful discussion, and instead resorting to throwing insults at a name that also has no relevance to the discussion...then I have nothing more to say to you. I have better things to do than get in a petty name-calling argument with someone who claims that the part of a weapon that had an entire step dedicated to it is irrelevant - like enjoying my spell speed over crit.

I'd argue that they compound, so they're not irrelevant as a GEARSET but hardly noticeable on a single piece of gear, if that makes sense.

I'm still inclined to differ on that - 26 Determination (from a Thyrus Zenith for example) makes roughly (not 100) points of HP difference on a Cure II. Even on that one piece of gear it's pretty noticeable over 0 Determination.

[Oce]

I'm still inclined to differ on that - 26 Determination (from a Thyrus Zenith for example) makes roughly 100+ points of HP difference on a Cure II. Even on that one piece of gear it's pretty noticeable over 0 Determination.

Are you sure about that? That's an incredibly huge jump for 26 Det, that's more in-line with what +26 mind would make. 1 det =/= 1 mnd.

[gamesmart]

Are you sure about that? That's an incredibly huge jump for 26 Det, that's more in-line with what +26 mind would make. 1 det =/= 1 mnd.

The number is probably off - this was tested over a year ago so the details probably aren't all there in my mind. I don't think I can replicate it (on account of not having an Omnirod anymore), but give me a minute and I'll try to approximate something.

Edit: Okay yeah, 100 was too high. But between an Augmented Ironworks Robe of Healing, and a Demon Robe of Healing (5 MND 23 Det difference) it's still 30-50 points difference, and to me that's still a noticeable gap.

[Izsha]

You upgraded a weapon and 'only' got 10% more damage. You 'expected' more. Congratulations you have an opinion not a fact. If the same upgrade doubled you damage you could make the same claim you 'expected' more (or less). 1 ilvl doesn't translate to 1% damage in this game.

It's not broken.

SE decided how much gear will impact performance in order to pace content and character growth to match their vision of how people progress through the game. It's not broken, it's just arbitrary. They specifically stated they didn't want the kind of steep growth in stats of games like wow where you do millions of damage, so the stat growth is linear (instead of exponential) and measured. It's not 'wrong'. It's exactly what the devs intended.

[kehn]

You upgraded a weapon and 'only' got 10% more damage. You 'expected' more. Congratulations you have an opinion not a fact. If the same upgrade doubled you damage you could make the same claim you 'expected' more (or less). 1 ilvl doesn't translate to 1% damage in this game.

It's not broken.

SE decided how much gear will impact performance in order to pace content and character growth to match their vision of how people progress through the game. It's not broken, it's just arbitrary. They specifically stated they didn't want the kind of steep growth in stats of games like wow where you do millions of damage, so the stat growth is linear (instead of exponential) and measured. It's not 'wrong'. It's exactly what the devs intended.

i'm afraid you don't know what an opinion is. failed to understand the original post and did not read any of the rest... thanks for your imput

I guess if you're refusing to even bother to look up what I'm talking about and have a meaningful discussion, and instead resorting to throwing insults at a name that also has no relevance to the discussion...then I have nothing more to say to you. I have better things to do than get in a petty name-calling argument with someone who claims that the part of a weapon that had an entire step dedicated to it is irrelevant - like enjoying my spell speed over crit.

Sure... i'll go look up what i already know.

[Izsha]

i'm afraid you don't know what an opinion is. failed to understand the original post and did not read any of the rest... thanks for your imput

You should read your own OP again.

So i finished my relic and i felt my damage didn't go as high as i was expecting it to go. when i did some math i realized that even though the relic ilvl had grown by roughly 18% compared to a 115 weapon the 135 weapon damage had only increased roughly 9%. Why is this? I mean is not like dps is a problem but why not increase the damage with the ilvl and make a real difference?

You 'expected' it to go higher. Check.
You saw 18% ilvl increase but only a 9% WD increase. Check.

You think it should scale higher. Yup, that's still an opinion and one that SE doesnt share. I even provided some context why based on some of their official statements about wanting to avoid number inflation (a la WoW).

1 slot doesn't up your damage to the same tune as the ilvl. But try out an ENTIRE set of 110 gear and compare that to an ENTIRE set of 130 gear. You are singling out the weapon as not raising damage as you expcted but ignore the ilvl of the rest of your set and all the atk power and secondary stats that go with it. Bigger picture. Look at it.

[kehn]

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<sigh> ok read carefully... an opinion goes something like this "the 135 weapon damage is too low it should be more" if you know how to read you will understand i did not say that. an expectation is not an opinion. in fact my OP was so far from an opinion that it is actually a question.

2nd for a billionth time i was not talking about dps but weapon damage. the number in the weapon. if you know how to read you will see it says weapon damage and not dps... okthxbai

[Nutz]

I didn't read everything, so maybe this was mentioned or sidetracked. In any case, going off the OP SE increases weapon damage by 1 every 4 ilvls for the most part, but seems to arbitrarily round up or down at different times. This is the pattern they've used since ilvl 50 weapons (1-49 weapon damage scales differently) and holds true through ilvl135. If the next raid weapons are i155, for example, they'll have WD 62 or 63.

[SpookyGhost]

Secondary stats add up, but not to much. They're called "secondary" for a reason. Just take whatever gives you more main stat (and potentially ACC if you're doing stuff that requires it). Unless you're in Lucrezia I wouldn't get heated over the min/maxing.