Fisher: Stats mean absolutely nothing

[Malakai]

In all seriousness if someone can explain why is it that when I had 353 gather and 286 perception I was able to catch 8 out of the 10 clam bites and get at least 2 HQ's out of that. To now going to 385 gather and 306 perception to where I'm catching 2 out of 10 clam bites and the rest are getting away or the lure is lost. What sense does that make? How is increasing your stats making RNG work all the more against you? There has to be some hidden tier cap that I hit that made me worse off than what I was at catching these things because it's been a week now and it's the same thing every freak'n time.

Another case was before big fishing even came out I went to help a friend fish up some HQ fish for their leves. I was in full HQ gear max melded. And yet I did worse in catching HQ fish, meanwhile my friend i was helping was in lvl35-40 NQ gear with no melds and they were fishing up HQ's without any problems. Seriously stats mean nothing when it comes to fishing. The only stat that matters is you have the gathering required to fish it up. As long as you have that nothing else matters because it's all up to RNG.

What's the point of increasing your stats if they don't ever seem to play a role due to RNG. =\

[Duuude007]

Stats mean absolutely nothing beyond satisfying minimum requirements on green tier fish.

Fixed that for you. Legendary fish are MEANT to be difficult to catch, so they all have a level of RNG.

...but due to the sheer volume of fish to catch, by the time you finish one of each 112 fish, probability is very high that you have spent the same cumulative time as the next person doing the same grind.

You gain more stats to catch more difficult fish. No more than 408 is presently needed for even the most difficult marks.

[Whatever]

Well don't know how related this post is but.. I was Mor earlier today and noticed gloom weather and though.. perfect chance to get set for a chance at a ninja betta.. So run out to the tangle, change to fsh, pop a nq haddock dip and fish away.. its abot 3am..enough time to get a hq mooch fish I'm thinking.. 20 min goes by almost, my window as well.. not one hq bite.. not ONE!! my perception is 321 with food, albeit I don't have my lucis rod yet but I figured supra would do.. After that.. I put down my controller and logged out in disgust.. That experience almost put me off fishing for good now...

[Aviate]

I am with both Malakai and Whatever on this. Stats seem to do nothing but make everything worse! It's infuriating! Stats should make RNG more favorable towards the player but it seems they are doing the exact opposite! As I fished over the weekend I continued to upgrade all my Fishing gear, whether it be making one piece HQ or fully melding one that was already HQ, I was catching HQ Sovereigns more frequently before, and now I also can't seem to land even a NQ Sovereign nor can I catch a HQ Goby in Cape Westwind to even BEGIN to start my mooch chain for a Titanic Sawfish, this is really ticking me off!

[Whatever]

So with the 408 gather level is just needed. Does that mean further points are not necessary as they do no good? Hope not cause of all the extra time, melds, and gil spent to tweak out stats.. even more so if its all just for tiny gains...

[Duuude007]

So with the 408 gather level is just needed. Does that mean further points are not necessary as they do no good? Hope not cause of all the extra time, melds, and gil spent to tweak out stats.. even more so if its all just for tiny gains...

Correct...ish. Gathering over 408 will not alter your chances one bit... as of 2.51.

Any more will simply accelerate your ability to unlock access to even more difficult fish, which will be implemented in the future.

[Yumi_umi]

And the fact that SE didn't make a tackle box off hand makes u wonder what happened to fisher.
Seems legit.
-heavily rng based
-no off hand since release
-stats mean nothing except for hitting minimum requirements
-no skill in fishing ( just press 2 buttons then release or mooch )
-fishing for maps = wtf, i don't even
-can get the desired weather on the wrong time = wtf y game y
Countless times cuz rng.

Only thing that i think that makes it "actually" difficult is the
-time of day
-weather ( so easy now that we have a weather forecast npc everywhere )

[Malakai]

Exactly that.. stats do not matter. The only stat that really does is meeting the base requirement to catch the fish. Even tho having a higher gather is supposed to "increase the success of gathering" it has zero effect on Fisher's RNG system, the same with perception. Unlike with BOT/MIN where you can see how stats actually improve your gathering/hq chances, even when you use food. It just is ignorant on SE's part that now I've increased my stats (30 on gather and 20 on perception) that I'm dong WORSE than what I was. Shouldn't having increased my stats have a more positive effect? Shouldn't I be able to catch them at a better success rate and have a bit higher even if by 1% or 2% rate of getting HQ? Now all that happens is the fish gets away and I'm losing lure's like they were normal bait. If there was some invisible RNG table chart that shows I moved up into another category or something that would be understanding but there's nothing like that. So it's more infuriating than anything.

And yea.. dunno why they took away spearfishing for. It was something alternative to do and was pretty fun on its own. And there is an insanely high demand for tackle box on FSH but SE won't allow it. They keep making up the excuse about having the tackle box means it will take longer for characters to load their save data when zoning and then data resources and inv space etc etc. Maybe we will get one in 3.0 who knows..can only hope.

[LineageRazor]

Stats seem to do nothing but make everything worse! It's infuriating!

Don't fall for this illusion. The painful levels of RNG on many fish may make it SEEM like higher stats are having a negative effect at times, but the truth is that higher stats are having NO effect, positive or negative. It's a bit aggravating (having 409 Gathering SHOULD mean you have a higher catch rate on fish that have a 353 Gathering requirement than you would if you only had 353 Gathering), but it's just what we have to live with.

[Duuude007]

Ultimately:

Gathering stat is either pass (with RNG) or fail.

If you have insufficient gathering, you have 0% chance to catch the fish.
If you have sufficient gathering, you have n% chance to catch the fish. Just like everybody else.
If you have overkill gathering, you have n% chance to catch the fish. Just like everybody else.

Perception stat has no known cap, and more perception has been presumed to steadily assist in catching HQ fish with greater frequency.

Only one fish has a known perception REQUIREMENT to earn: Shonisaurus (320). The reason being, is that lesser green fish Mahar must be HQ in order to mooch and catch Shonisaurus, and HQ chance is 0% if perception is below 320.

GP for a Fisher is utterly worthless... for now.

SE has inferred that in 3.0 there will be fisher-based abilities which expend GP. (I will be curious whether said abilities will have cross-class usefulness, as well)