Personally, I'd like to see Classes made into "alternate-jobs"

[Terin]

What I mean is, rework the way the way they play, to fill slightly different roles in groups. Make the Gladiator into a DPS class, focused more on dishing out raw damage, removing all allusions to Holy or Light abilities. In cintrats, the Pugilist might remain DPS, but instead sacrifice DOTs and positioning bonuses for front-facing attacks with minor bonuses to survivability.

Personally, I think the base Classes are too cool to be left as redundant relics of 1.0. Instead, I'd like to see them as interesting alternatives to their corresponding Jobs. In addition, I would personally like to see each of these Classes get its own unique Artifact Armor set. Even if they aimed a bit simpler, I think it would add a lot of flair to them, such as Gladiators getting a bare-chested Greco-Roman design with a Roman Centurion helmet, that sort of thing.

[Zenaku]

Class would always be the base for NPC seeing how they can't unlock the job system. Unless later in 4.0 SE goes Npc can now become jobs due to blah blah then they really take out class. I don't see them doing much with class system tbh just to much work to focus on fixing both jobs and class.

[Ilenya]

Class would always be the base for NPC seeing how they can't unlock the job system. Unless later in 4.0 SE goes Npc can now become jobs due to blah blah then they really take out class. I don't see them doing much with class system tbh just to much work to focus on fixing both jobs and class.

Note there are a number of jobs that show NPCs to actively have them. NIN and Paladin come to mind first. They just can't switch as freely as the players can.

[Ryans]

Note there are a number of jobs that show NPCs to actively have them. NIN and Paladin come to mind first. They just can't switch as freely as the players can.

Are you talking about the NPCs that are part of the job quest lines? That doesn't really count as they are the ones that taught us to become the jobs. The average, everyday citizen of Eorzea cannot become one of the jobs at the moment. There are multiple job stones out in the world, but they seem to be fairly controlled by small groups or simply rare. Add in the fact that the job stones are basically alive and choose to whom they grant powers, I don't see the public becoming the jobs any time soon.

[Zfz]

What I mean is, rework the way the way they play, to fill slightly different roles in groups. Make the Gladiator into a DPS class, focused more on dishing out raw damage, removing all allusions to Holy or Light abilities.

We need tanks from 15 to 30.

[Wildsprite]

We need tanks from 15 to 30.

an easy fix for this would be job stones for those classes to become jobs.
make it so with the stones the classes such as
I have some odd ideas. and please they are just ideas but some of them could work
Marauder becomes Marauder DPS with the stone
Gladiator becomes Gladiator DPS with the stone
Conjurer becomes Conjurer DPS with the stone

Lancer becomes Lancer Tank with the stone <--I think this one could really work well if they put thought into it
Pugilist becomes Pugilist Tank with the stone <--this one might work well too
Rogue becomes a dancer esque buffer DPS role like from FFXI with the stone
Thaumaturg becomes debuffer/DPS with the stone
Arcanist becomes erm....sure they could become another healer but they already do with SCH.


not sure what exactly you would do with the rest

[Zfz]

an easy fix for this would be job stones for those classes to become jobs.

Which basically is the SCH/SMN situation. Then we are back to square one with the question of "what about the gladiator class?"

[Wildsprite]

Which basically is the SCH/SMN situation. Then we are back to square one with the question of "what about the gladiator class?"

no actually it isn't they don't have to make the base class stones exactly like the job stones they could make it so that the stone overrides the bonuses which is what they should have done in the first place. or they could just make the base class stones bring the stats of the class up to par with the job making the class something people would use again

[RygaenYuui]

This would honestly give much more diversity to the system and would resolve retarded things like waiting 70 minutes+ for a tank to queue a run. So much potential is being wasted imho. Not sure what they're afraid of tbh; they claim balance but if the balance of XIV is so rigid that this would screw everything up then perhaps they need to go back to the drawing board with their content implementation.

[Havenae]

We need tanks from 15 to 30.

And you would have them.

You're reworking 'classes' into jobs. That means jobs will extend from 1-50/60/70 because there essentially wouldn't be classes anymore... so you could have paladins and warriors from 1-30 as your tanks if SE did it right.

This really wouldnt even be an issue if SE would just stick to their own system, but it doesnt appear they feel like it at this point in time so now we'll have two different systems apparently. one with classes and jobs and one with just jobs. I guess because they didnt 'feel' like creating 3 new classes to go along with the 3 new jobs. It's a pretty bad design decision if you ask me as consistency is a huge deal from my point of view, but eh well.

while i agree with you about make classes jobs, i think not all of them could be reworked as a job. The blm is a thaumaturge with flare, it doesnt really adds any mechanic to the class.

You'd have to consider that some classes would need to be scrapped all together, but the bonus would be that you could rework some jobs to make them feel more like that classic FF job.

Bards for instance could maybe lose the bow, give it all to archer and let bards focus on being purely a support class keep archer let them be pure dps.

Split rogue and Ninja let ninja focus more on mudras and other aspects of what makes a ninja a ninja (or even bring back ninja tanking) while rogues go more thief-ish. Or keep ninjas and just drop rogues all together. (this one kind of bothers me though because it's a relatively new class/job and SE was more than willing to do the combo here and in a patch none-the-less, but not the expansion? why?)

Gladiator- dps class, give them a different weapon or two shortswords (seems a little too similar to ninjas that way though, maybe mix some weapons? axe and a sword? sword and a trident?)

Marauders could be like the berserkers mentioned above with dual axes

You could probably drop conjurer, thaumaturge, pugilist and lancer.

I'd personally give aero and stone to blms, bring some new light based damage spells to the table for whms

Scholar and Summoner need to be two distinctly different classes. The shared concept of pet 'classes' is fine, but yeah Summoners do need some love, they really do.

Basic thought here is some things would need to go, but then you can also open new possibilities with a little give and take on both sides from classes and jobs.