Help me understand t10 a bit

[Tiggy]

If you are hitting enrage without deaths then it's absolutely a DPS issue. That's what hitting an enrage timer generally means. I'd have to guess people are freaking out in the last phase doing mechanics and are severely slacking on dps. Your buff stacks on the boss during add phase are certainly doable so that's my thoughts.

Also, 2 BLM isn't the problem. I frequently am in 2nd' or 3rd place in my group with a Nin and Monk. Me and the Nin swap places and we are only ever 20 or so behind the monk. BLM can do this fight perfectly fine. It's a matter of experience with the mechanics and having BLM that understand how to move well. T11 is when BLM gets really rough and I'd agree 2 BLM are bad.

[JammerSidewinder]

I have a fully upgraded/augemented BLM with zeta, ilvl 130. I am in the process of running WOD and buying ironworks gear to gear up my ninja. Probably gonna run shiva to get true ice daggers and shiva ring while i get zodiac (currently on atma >.>) Like i said, this group im willing to go a different class, however, when i go with my FC, im usually the black mage.


On a side note, someone noted that my dps was 260 in T9, i have read that is about average for a blm in t9 since we move around alot and dps drops during golem phase. Is that true?

As the above user has said, that is incredibly low for T9 especially at this point in the game. For an ilvl 130 BLM with Zeta I would expect somewhere in the 400s (I forget the last I was at in there exactly). You should be to able to get minimal interruption in your rotation.

If you are doing comparable dps in T10 and the other BLM is too, then that would be your issue most likely.

[Sessurea]

see my FC has never complained about my dps. So i assumed my rotation is fine.

I followed a guide for ninja and seems i got that rotation down pat. Is there a good guide for blm?

I basically start with thunder 3, Fire 3, Raging strikes, fire 1 until low mp then go either dual flare or transpose, bliz, thunder 3, fire 3, fire 1 ect

Rotation isn't the issue with blms, it's usually the dps lost due to not casting, be it from focusing too much on mechanics or moving too much to avoid aoes. Takes a lot of practice and it's one of the harder classes to play at a high level I would think.

T9 is a kinda poor indication of ur dps in t10 though. I'd look for a t10 parse asap if I were you.

[Kyomagi]

Yeah, if you're soft enraging at 28%, there's definitely something amiss with your DPS, especially if all your DPS are as geared as you are.

As many have suggested, learning the nuances of BLM will help immensely. Alternatively, you may wish to have one of the BLMs try SMN as SMN tends to have an easier time with more movement intensive fights. SMN is in a poor spot at the moment, admittedly, but the breath of fresh air may help out immensely - only you'll know if you try that route.

funny you should mention that, i started and finished 1.0 as a pug, and started 2.0 as a smn... i still have a lvl 50 smn, i just never started the relic upgrade because i switched to blm lol

[Sessurea]

I basically start with thunder 3, Fire 3, Raging strikes, fire 1 until low mp then go either dual flare or transpose, bliz, thunder 3, fire 3, fire 1 ect

Do you mean u cast 2 flares? hard cast flare is terrible 1v1 dps.


Thu II/III--->Fire III --->(raging strikes) fire I until low--->swiftcast flare-->convert-->fire I-->Bliz III

The above is how to flare and use RS effectively in 1v1.

Edit: I also notice the presence of transpose in a 1v1 rotation? never do this man xD. I advise check out a BLM guide. If I'm understanding you correctly it appears you'r cutting yourself short on a lot of easy damage mate.

[Eidolon]

For your BLM Rotation:

Thunder III on the approach -> Fire III -> Raging Strikes -> Fire I -> Quelling strikes (ONLY IF NECESSARY) -> Fire I Spam to low-ish MP -> Swift Cast Flare -> Convert -> Fire I -> Blizzard III -> Blizzard I -> Thunder II -> Fire III -> Fire I spam -> Blizzard III

That should be what your cycle looks like.

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If you want, I can come out to you sometime on Hyperion and roll an alt there to watch your rotation at Summerford Farms. We can discuss things like the most important aspect - which is 'skiing' your casts, basically taking advantage of the fact that you can move in the last couple %'s of a BLM cast without interruption to get minor movement done.

[Kyomagi]

Rotation isn't the issue with blms, it's usually the dps lost due to not casting, be it from focusing too much on mechanics or moving too much to avoid aoes. Takes a lot of practice and it's one of the harder classes to play at a high level I would think.

T9 is a kinda poor indication of ur dps in t10 though. I'd look for a t10 parse asap if I were you.

Thanks, i think maybe rather than doing dual flares, i should reduce the amount of down time i have by doing thunder 3, fire 3, raging strikes, fire 1, swift cast flare, convert + transpose ice, thunder 3 ect. i sometimes find myself sitting for 5 seconds or so waiting for transpose to give me my starter mp.

not to mention im 100% positive i did not have food popped when they told me my dps on that run

edit--just noticed the other replies not to use transpose, how does that work, i have always understood transpose as a way of regenerating your MP quickly

[Risvertasashi]

see my FC has never complained about my dps. So i assumed my rotation is fine.

I followed a guide for ninja and seems i got that rotation down pat. Is there a good guide for blm?

I basically start with thunder 3, Fire 3, Raging strikes, fire 1 until low mp then go either dual flare or transpose, bliz, thunder 3, fire 3, fire 1 ect

This comes back to SE's formal policy on not allowing parsers (but really it's more like fight club rules). People in dungeons WOULD get harassed, because people will be blunt to strangers. But in an FC or similarly close group, people won't actually call you out a lot of the time. And to be fair, that DPS is enough (not ideal, but enough) in a lot of non-raid content.

I'm at work but a quick google brought up some "endgame tips and tricks" youtube videos for BLM. Unless someone personally recommends a guide, I would start there. Just remember, it might be more about movement than your rotation. BLM really is about making the most of every possible moment. Also, getting an experienced BLM to come along for a night and give feedback could help a lot.

Good luck! And, thanks for being a player willing to improve. Too many on these forums will just complain.

[Sessurea]

thunder 3, fire 3, raging strikes, fire 1, swift cast flare, convert + transpose ice, thunder 3 ect. i sometimes find myself sitting for 5 seconds or so waiting for transpose to give me my starter mp.

Dude....xD

Going to be frank now, you're doing it SERIOUSLY wrong. That's ok . You'r here to seek advice.

After u convert, u cast another fire I and then u cast Bliz III.NO TRANSPOSE xc IN 1V1. EVER!

Here is a simple starter BLM rotation.

Thu ii/iii, fire III, fire I until low, Bliz III, thun II, Fire III ( repeat cycle )

If you want to use flare and raging strikes, see my previous post.

If you want to aoe:

Fire III, fire II ( repeat till low ) flare transpose

Double flare:

Fire III, fire II ( till low.. ), flare, convert flare, transpose.

Tripple flare

Fire III, fire II ( till low ), flare, convert, flare, mega ether, flare, transpose.

Swiftcasting any of the flares is advised too for even better dps.

Better yet, as the guy above said, make a blm friend in game!

[Kuwagami]

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I am not a good BLM so don't take me for granted, but I achieve 330 dps on T9 as an i110 BLM (diamond rod) with my "rotation" :

thunder 3 pre-cast, else thunder 2 if I don't precast (because it's quicker), fire 3, RS, fire 1 and using every proc I get (thunder 3 for thundercloud, and always use thundercloud before the fire 3 proc), then follow the scenarios :

=> swiftcast and conversion are up : swift flare, conversion, fire 1 in hope for a proc, blizz3, thunder 2, fire 3.
=> only swiftcast up : swift flare, transpo and hope for a quick MP tick, blizz, thunder 2, fire 3
=> none up : blizz3, thunder 2, fire 3


I chose thunder 2 over thunder 3 because it's quicker, you can use your procs for thunder 3. And unless you're in an AoE situation, I don't find the use for a double/triple flare. it costs too much in time to justify it (though specifically on T9 when the dragon pops, I do use the double/triple flare to speed up the P4)


edit : so reading posts above mine, I now know I still have a lot to learn. All the way up

Swiftcasting any of the flares is advised too for even better dps.

people either advise to swiftcast the first (saves time for convert) or the last flare you do (saves time for transpose). In AoE situations, you'll want to swiftcast the last one though, because it's the less likely one to hit before the target dies.