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    Kyomagi's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaze3434 View Post
    i think a better question to ask OP is what % of health is the boss at when you hit enrage?
    28% the last time he hit enrage. we had lvl 3 limit break but did not use it. think melee might have just died
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    Honestly... it's a DPS problem. I can't really say much more than that because of SE's hardline stance against measuring DPS.

    Get some experienced raiders to check your group out in game, though. They'll be equipped and able to identify problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyomagi View Post
    28% the last time he hit enrage. we had lvl 3 limit break but did not use it. think melee might have just died
    that sounds awfully high. Are people constantly dieing on P3 ? slacking ? Waiting for mechanics to happen before doing anything ? With your assumed dps (6 & 8 stacks for adds), you should hit enrage, if ever, at 10% top, even without using LB3 in P3.

    28% sounds like a dangerous 9 & 13 stacks like my group did on our first time ever reaching enrage (26% after using heal LB @10:25), before we started optimizing dps (until then, we were surviving to master mechanics and hit enrage)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyomagi View Post
    On a side note, someone noted that my dps was 260 in T9, i have read that is about average for a blm in t9 since we move around alot and dps drops during golem phase. Is that true?
    the BLM on the parse I posted averaged 330 dps on T9 when we passed it. Full lengh duration so the numbers drop by quite a bit during downtime (meteors and when nael goes for dives).

    I can't say for sure, but assuming the number you told was with echo, I'd say you're averaging 280-290 on T10 (if the T9 is without echo, more around 320-330), which is kinda low for a zeta BLM. You'd like to work on your rotations maybe :/
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    see my FC has never complained about my dps. So i assumed my rotation is fine.

    I followed a guide for ninja and seems i got that rotation down pat. Is there a good guide for blm?

    I basically start with thunder 3, Fire 3, Raging strikes, fire 1 until low mp then go either dual flare or transpose, bliz, thunder 3, fire 3, fire 1 ect
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    Lanfear Sessurea
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyomagi View Post
    see my FC has never complained about my dps. So i assumed my rotation is fine.

    I followed a guide for ninja and seems i got that rotation down pat. Is there a good guide for blm?

    I basically start with thunder 3, Fire 3, Raging strikes, fire 1 until low mp then go either dual flare or transpose, bliz, thunder 3, fire 3, fire 1 ect
    Rotation isn't the issue with blms, it's usually the dps lost due to not casting, be it from focusing too much on mechanics or moving too much to avoid aoes. Takes a lot of practice and it's one of the harder classes to play at a high level I would think.

    T9 is a kinda poor indication of ur dps in t10 though. I'd look for a t10 parse asap if I were you.
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    Muhau Nbolo
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    For your BLM Rotation:

    Thunder III on the approach -> Fire III -> Raging Strikes -> Fire I -> Quelling strikes (ONLY IF NECESSARY) -> Fire I Spam to low-ish MP -> Swift Cast Flare -> Convert -> Fire I -> Blizzard III -> Blizzard I -> Thunder II -> Fire III -> Fire I spam -> Blizzard III

    That should be what your cycle looks like.

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    If you want, I can come out to you sometime on Hyperion and roll an alt there to watch your rotation at Summerford Farms. We can discuss things like the most important aspect - which is 'skiing' your casts, basically taking advantage of the fact that you can move in the last couple %'s of a BLM cast without interruption to get minor movement done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sessurea View Post
    Rotation isn't the issue with blms, it's usually the dps lost due to not casting, be it from focusing too much on mechanics or moving too much to avoid aoes. Takes a lot of practice and it's one of the harder classes to play at a high level I would think.

    T9 is a kinda poor indication of ur dps in t10 though. I'd look for a t10 parse asap if I were you.
    Thanks, i think maybe rather than doing dual flares, i should reduce the amount of down time i have by doing thunder 3, fire 3, raging strikes, fire 1, swift cast flare, convert + transpose ice, thunder 3 ect. i sometimes find myself sitting for 5 seconds or so waiting for transpose to give me my starter mp.

    not to mention im 100% positive i did not have food popped when they told me my dps on that run

    edit--just noticed the other replies not to use transpose, how does that work, i have always understood transpose as a way of regenerating your MP quickly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyomagi View Post
    thunder 3, fire 3, raging strikes, fire 1, swift cast flare, convert + transpose ice, thunder 3 ect. i sometimes find myself sitting for 5 seconds or so waiting for transpose to give me my starter mp.
    Dude....xD

    Going to be frank now, you're doing it SERIOUSLY wrong. That's ok . You'r here to seek advice.

    After u convert, u cast another fire I and then u cast Bliz III.NO TRANSPOSE xc IN 1V1. EVER!

    Here is a simple starter BLM rotation.

    Thu ii/iii, fire III, fire I until low, Bliz III, thun II, Fire III ( repeat cycle )

    If you want to use flare and raging strikes, see my previous post.

    If you want to aoe:

    Fire III, fire II ( repeat till low ) flare transpose

    Double flare:

    Fire III, fire II ( till low.. ), flare, convert flare, transpose.

    Tripple flare

    Fire III, fire II ( till low ), flare, convert, flare, mega ether, flare, transpose.

    Swiftcasting any of the flares is advised too for even better dps.

    Better yet, as the guy above said, make a blm friend in game!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyomagi View Post
    edit--just noticed the other replies not to use transpose, how does that work, i have always understood transpose as a way of regenerating your MP quickly
    Transpose is only to be used if you can not Blizzard III. Transpose basically takes your full stacks of Astral Fire, and turns them into a single stack of Umbral Ice. While it will start giving you MP back, it won't do it nearly as fast as a full stack of Umbral Ice will.

    Transpose is ONLY to be used when you know your stacks will wear off (Think Nael jumping for double dives, and you're in astral Fire.) or when you dont' have the MP to Blizzard III (Which should never happen but CAN happen if you mismanage your MP) Edit-in: Or if you're triple flare rotation for an AoE pull.

    This is why, as we said, ending with swift cast + Flare -> Convert -> Fire I -> Blizzard III will substantially help your DPS. NEVER Transpose if you dont' have to. That is a HUGE dps loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyomagi View Post

    I basically start with thunder 3, Fire 3, Raging strikes, fire 1 until low mp then go either dual flare or transpose, bliz, thunder 3, fire 3, fire 1 ect
    Do you mean u cast 2 flares? hard cast flare is terrible 1v1 dps.


    Thu II/III--->Fire III --->(raging strikes) fire I until low--->swiftcast flare-->convert-->fire I-->Bliz III

    The above is how to flare and use RS effectively in 1v1.

    Edit: I also notice the presence of transpose in a 1v1 rotation? never do this man xD. I advise check out a BLM guide. If I'm understanding you correctly it appears you'r cutting yourself short on a lot of easy damage mate.
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