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    Kuwagami's Avatar
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    Kuwagami Tarynke
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    There is no need for 2150+ dps for T10 but 2050 dps over the whole fight

    Here is my group's first down for T10 with a MNK-BRD-SMN-BLM comp, 2075 dps, 10:26 (so 4 seconds before enrage. We have been a fair amount of time behind the 10:30 point, and it's survivable until around 10:55, then that damn cat uses the charge again, which is not realistically survivable because there are no safe spots left so it's either your WHM has timed the heal well or 3 people die immediately after the charge)




    We improved a few things after and are now around the 10 mins mark, working on T11.

    for the record, LB used are caster LB3 for 2nd set of adds, and melee LB3 when available. On this parse we had to paeon once and ballad once, but we did T10 last week without a bard and it went fine (DRG, MNK, BLM, BLM)

    Quote Originally Posted by MythToken View Post
    If you can't eat the charge, just let the marked person die.
    on paper yeah, but during enrage you'd want to avoid as much as possible to eat the debuff + boss buff, especially for the first down. Now that we are on farm status ( we carried someone who had a good dps but no clue bout the mechanics 2 weeks ago. They were nearly wiping us on every link), we just burn through the death if we have to let someone die.
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    Iam Groot
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    If you can't eat the charge, just let the marked person die.
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    Sapphic Meow
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    Quote Originally Posted by MythToken View Post
    If you can't eat the charge, just let the marked person die.
    If the OT gets the tether on the last phase they can holmgang/hallowed ground it which will allow more peeps to stand in for the charge,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphic View Post
    If the OT gets the tether on the last phase they can holmgang/hallowed ground it which will allow more peeps to stand in for the charge,
    if the OT gets the tether in the tether + charge phase, there is something wrong (OT not being 2nd in enmity or whatever). Or my group has been extremely lucky all this time.
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    Rumina Asou
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    i think a better question to ask OP is what % of health is the boss at when you hit enrage?
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    Niko Zimmershade
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaze3434 View Post
    i think a better question to ask OP is what % of health is the boss at when you hit enrage?
    28% the last time he hit enrage. we had lvl 3 limit break but did not use it. think melee might have just died
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Honestly... it's a DPS problem. I can't really say much more than that because of SE's hardline stance against measuring DPS.

    Get some experienced raiders to check your group out in game, though. They'll be equipped and able to identify problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyomagi View Post
    28% the last time he hit enrage. we had lvl 3 limit break but did not use it. think melee might have just died
    that sounds awfully high. Are people constantly dieing on P3 ? slacking ? Waiting for mechanics to happen before doing anything ? With your assumed dps (6 & 8 stacks for adds), you should hit enrage, if ever, at 10% top, even without using LB3 in P3.

    28% sounds like a dangerous 9 & 13 stacks like my group did on our first time ever reaching enrage (26% after using heal LB @10:25), before we started optimizing dps (until then, we were surviving to master mechanics and hit enrage)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kyomagi View Post
    On a side note, someone noted that my dps was 260 in T9, i have read that is about average for a blm in t9 since we move around alot and dps drops during golem phase. Is that true?
    the BLM on the parse I posted averaged 330 dps on T9 when we passed it. Full lengh duration so the numbers drop by quite a bit during downtime (meteors and when nael goes for dives).

    I can't say for sure, but assuming the number you told was with echo, I'd say you're averaging 280-290 on T10 (if the T9 is without echo, more around 320-330), which is kinda low for a zeta BLM. You'd like to work on your rotations maybe :/
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    Niko Zimmershade
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    see my FC has never complained about my dps. So i assumed my rotation is fine.

    I followed a guide for ninja and seems i got that rotation down pat. Is there a good guide for blm?

    I basically start with thunder 3, Fire 3, Raging strikes, fire 1 until low mp then go either dual flare or transpose, bliz, thunder 3, fire 3, fire 1 ect
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    Lanfear Sessurea
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyomagi View Post
    see my FC has never complained about my dps. So i assumed my rotation is fine.

    I followed a guide for ninja and seems i got that rotation down pat. Is there a good guide for blm?

    I basically start with thunder 3, Fire 3, Raging strikes, fire 1 until low mp then go either dual flare or transpose, bliz, thunder 3, fire 3, fire 1 ect
    Rotation isn't the issue with blms, it's usually the dps lost due to not casting, be it from focusing too much on mechanics or moving too much to avoid aoes. Takes a lot of practice and it's one of the harder classes to play at a high level I would think.

    T9 is a kinda poor indication of ur dps in t10 though. I'd look for a t10 parse asap if I were you.
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