So...about Arcanist

[Mirakumi]

I was wondering how come Arcanist can't queue as healer. They are just as viable as CNJ and can heal just as good.

It never made sense to me that when they finally become 30 that suddenly your thrust into the healing role.

I've always felt that ACN should be able to queue dd or heal and then that way when it comes they are prepared for the swap.

I shrug. Just throwing this out there.

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Reply to Ignnis since I can't post again for today:
I've never seen traits as a major wall-stopper at lower levels. I don't think it really matters to any class, even tanks, at low levels until getting into that job role.

Ignnis: *I've seen some horrifying tanks pre 30 and paring an int acn with in stats would be a recipie for disaster. On your line of thought any pre 30 class could just cross class cure/physik and que as heals or cross class flash and skull sunder and que as tank (God forbid)
Those classes with cross class shouldn't be able to queue because most of the people who level glad, thm, or what not - don't even bother cross class leveling till they are hit with that 30 bump that tells them you need to go get this class to 15.

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*They would have to develop a system where you can choose whether you want to heal or dd on this class
I don't see why it's a big deal - healers are always short on lower levels, this could be a good thing. But I see your reasoning for it being a hardship when it takes a year to make a new class.


*Should they allow ACN to heal after level 30? If yes, he is underpowered, if no, it feels incosistent imo
I meant it as below level 30.

*Why not allow queue as heal also for BLM with cure/physik crossclass too then?
Because people who lvl thm sometimes don't swap classes when leveling to 30. (ie didn't build healer for cure even if its at lvl2)
While ACN is given psyhik at low levels -> 30.

*ACN itemization is built on INT, while Conjurer can equip most level 50 mind stuff, arcanist can't.
Speaking about under level 30 here. Considering anything under 30 casters can roll on healer gear.

*Technically, I would guess every class/job is limited to one role, for reasons of balancing and simplicity
Shrugs. This is their reasoning I guess.

Reply @ Nylia
Nyalia

You could say the same about CNJ. Yesterday the healer in our PT had a fit since one qued for WoD.
But you do make a point with the rest of your post.

/touche.
Nyalia has defeated me. ^^
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Fixed for nitpickers

[Ignnis]

Getting that lvl 29 arc who puts all his points into int and ques as a healer.

[Darkstride]

Nitpicking but... ARC is Archer. Arcanist is ACN and Conjurer is CNJ, not CON.

[Spoekes]

Some random thoughts about it:

• They would have to develop a system where you can choose wether you want to heal or dps on this class
• Should they allow ACN to heal after level 30? If yes, he is underpowered, if no, it feels incosistent imo
• That's not really a negative point: why not allow queue as heal also for BLM with cure/physik crossclass too then?
• ACN itemization is built on INT, while Conjurer can equip most level 50 mind stuff, arcanist can't
• Technically, I would guess every class/job is limited to one role, for reasons of balancing and simplicity

[Ignnis]

I've seen some horrifying tanks pre 30 and paring an int acn with in stats would be a recipie for disaster. On your line of thought any pre 30 class could just cross class cure/physik and que as heals or cross class flash and skull sunder and que as tank (God forbid).

[Noira]

I've seen some horrifying tanks pre 30 and paring an int acn with in stats would be a recipie for disaster. On your line of thought any pre 30 class could just cross class cure/physik and que as heals or cross class flash and skull sunder and que as tank (God forbid).

Well technically, you forget that Arcanist has a pet which allows them to multitask without giving up too much dps. Other dps classes can't do this. You can tank heal and dps an entire dungeon as Arcanist.

That said Arcanist is merely a support dps class and should remain so.

[MXMoondoggie]

No real need for it not like it takes that long to hit level 30 and get your Healer job if you want to do that. Allowing an ACN to heal just feels like a shortcut to leveling for them because they are only viable as Healers up to a certain point.

[Nyalia]

ACN pets can't heal. The biggest thing an SCH brings to the party pre-30 is the fairy, who is a good enough healer to solo-heal pre-30 dungeons. An ACN would be hard-pressed to heal on their own in the 25-29 range. An SCH with no fairy would similarly have trouble healing in the 25-29 range, but that's why they have the fairy. And, as pointed out, how would they be stopped from queuing as a healer in post-30 content? Can you imagine an ACN queuing as a healer for, say, WoD just to troll? It would let people queue as healers and then play as DPS, which is bad. As pointed out above, ACNs can't wear healer equipment after a certain point when healer and caster split off. The classes on gear become CNJ/WHM/SCH for healer gear and THM/BLM/ACN/SMN for caster gear. For books, only SCH can wield healer books, and ACN/SMN can wield caster books (apart from the SMN relic, which is SMN only).

Like another said, BLM and PLD can cross-class physic/cure respectively, but would make terrible healers. Allowing ACN to queue as healer in level 50 content but not a PLD to do so too is totally inconsistent. (You can argue that not all THM/BLMs have Physic, but all PLDs must get access to Cure to get their class crystal, so you can't say that not all PLDs have Cure. And, you can change cross-class skills mid-dungeon.)

[Aeyis]

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What about a conjurer signing as healer for the harder content? Or any level 50, with the way everyone likes to speed run. The conjurer would have zero cooldowns to use on a pull. That's no different from an arcanist signing as healer, and its currently possible to do.


Before level 30 THM/ACN can easily heal dungeons, so I too find it odd that they can't queue as healer for said dungeons.
Trolling higher level content is easily prevented by only having the option to sign as healer for <30 content.

It would let people queue as healers and then play as DPS, which is bad.

Which people already do anyway. I suspect over half of the DF scholars spend more time dpsing then healing, since they are well aware you can't see what they are doing.
And plenty of white mages just don't care.

[Spoekes]

Before level 30 THM/ACN can easily heal dungeons, so I too find it odd that they can't queue as healer for said dungeons.
Trolling higher level content is easily prevented by only having the option to sign as healer for <30 content.

I would guess every class/job is limited to one role, for reasons of balancing and simplicity.
You'd still need a way to choose wether heal or dps when you queue up.
Short put, they would need to rework DF ,which might not be as trivial as one might think and they might think the time is better spent somewhere else.

Which people already do anyway. I suspect over half of the DF scholars spend more time dpsing then healing, since they are well aware you can't see what they are doing.
And plenty of white mages just don't care.

Whats your point here? Can't see what they're doing?
Last time I checked healers contributing some DPS while keeping the party alive are a good thing.