So...about Arcanist

[Mirakumi]

I was wondering how come Arcanist can't queue as healer. They are just as viable as CNJ and can heal just as good.

It never made sense to me that when they finally become 30 that suddenly your thrust into the healing role.

I've always felt that ACN should be able to queue dd or heal and then that way when it comes they are prepared for the swap.

I shrug. Just throwing this out there.

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Reply to Ignnis since I can't post again for today:
I've never seen traits as a major wall-stopper at lower levels. I don't think it really matters to any class, even tanks, at low levels until getting into that job role.

Ignnis: *I've seen some horrifying tanks pre 30 and paring an int acn with in stats would be a recipie for disaster. On your line of thought any pre 30 class could just cross class cure/physik and que as heals or cross class flash and skull sunder and que as tank (God forbid)
Those classes with cross class shouldn't be able to queue because most of the people who level glad, thm, or what not - don't even bother cross class leveling till they are hit with that 30 bump that tells them you need to go get this class to 15.

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*They would have to develop a system where you can choose whether you want to heal or dd on this class
I don't see why it's a big deal - healers are always short on lower levels, this could be a good thing. But I see your reasoning for it being a hardship when it takes a year to make a new class.


*Should they allow ACN to heal after level 30? If yes, he is underpowered, if no, it feels incosistent imo
I meant it as below level 30.

*Why not allow queue as heal also for BLM with cure/physik crossclass too then?
Because people who lvl thm sometimes don't swap classes when leveling to 30. (ie didn't build healer for cure even if its at lvl2)
While ACN is given psyhik at low levels -> 30.

*ACN itemization is built on INT, while Conjurer can equip most level 50 mind stuff, arcanist can't.
Speaking about under level 30 here. Considering anything under 30 casters can roll on healer gear.

*Technically, I would guess every class/job is limited to one role, for reasons of balancing and simplicity
Shrugs. This is their reasoning I guess.

Reply @ Nylia
Nyalia

You could say the same about CNJ. Yesterday the healer in our PT had a fit since one qued for WoD.
But you do make a point with the rest of your post.

/touche.
Nyalia has defeated me. ^^
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Fixed for nitpickers

[Ignnis]

Getting that lvl 29 arc who puts all his points into int and ques as a healer.

[Darkstride]

Nitpicking but... ARC is Archer. Arcanist is ACN and Conjurer is CNJ, not CON.

[Spoekes]

Some random thoughts about it:

• They would have to develop a system where you can choose wether you want to heal or dps on this class
• Should they allow ACN to heal after level 30? If yes, he is underpowered, if no, it feels incosistent imo
• That's not really a negative point: why not allow queue as heal also for BLM with cure/physik crossclass too then?
• ACN itemization is built on INT, while Conjurer can equip most level 50 mind stuff, arcanist can't
• Technically, I would guess every class/job is limited to one role, for reasons of balancing and simplicity

[Ignnis]

I've seen some horrifying tanks pre 30 and paring an int acn with in stats would be a recipie for disaster. On your line of thought any pre 30 class could just cross class cure/physik and que as heals or cross class flash and skull sunder and que as tank (God forbid).

[Noira]

I've seen some horrifying tanks pre 30 and paring an int acn with in stats would be a recipie for disaster. On your line of thought any pre 30 class could just cross class cure/physik and que as heals or cross class flash and skull sunder and que as tank (God forbid).

Well technically, you forget that Arcanist has a pet which allows them to multitask without giving up too much dps. Other dps classes can't do this. You can tank heal and dps an entire dungeon as Arcanist.

That said Arcanist is merely a support dps class and should remain so.

[Iagainsti]

I've seen some horrifying tanks pre 30 and paring an int acn with in stats would be a recipie for disaster. On your line of thought any pre 30 class could just cross class cure/physik and que as heals or cross class flash and skull sunder and que as tank (God forbid).

Skull Sunder is useless without Heavy Swing, the combo creates the Enmity of 200, you won't hold anything even spamming 100 potency.

[Nyalia]

Skull Sunder is useless without Heavy Swing, the combo creates the Enmity of 200, you won't hold anything even spamming 100 potency.

Not that you're wrong, but I wanted to point out that Skull Sunder has its 3.5x enmity multiplier even when used out of combo. So, even though it's a 100 potency attack out of combo, it still does 350 potency worth of enmity generation. That's almost as much as a non-ranged tomahawk (tomahawk is 390 enmity potency). In the very early dungeons, before you get Butcher's Block, a MRD spamming Skull Sunder is almost as effective at holding aggro as one that uses Heavy Swing -> Skull Sunder (average enmity of pure Skull Sunder: 350, average enmity of 1-2 combo: 425).

So, you could totally tank as an LNC in, say, Sastasha normal by cross-classing Skull Sunder and Flash. Should you? Probably not. But could you? Yes. This is the point people are making - it's the same argument as an ACN healing. And would you want that LNC to tank Aurum Vale? Yes, because it'd be hilarious No, absolutely not.

[Iagainsti]

Not that you're wrong, but I wanted to point out that Skull Sunder has its 3.5x enmity multiplier even when used out of combo. So, even though it's a 100 potency attack out of combo, it still does 350 potency worth of enmity generation. That's almost as much as a non-ranged tomahawk (tomahawk is 390 enmity potency). In the very early dungeons, before you get Butcher's Block, a MRD spamming Skull Sunder is almost as effective at holding aggro as one that uses Heavy Swing -> Skull Sunder (average enmity of pure Skull Sunder: 350, average enmity of 1-2 combo: 425).

Had to look that up, thanks for the info, I did not know that the enmity was 350 potency str8 up.

[Nyalia]

Had to look that up, thanks for the info, I did not know that the enmity was 350 potency str8 up.

There is some disagreement on whether the enmity multiplier for Skull Sunder is 3.5x or 3x. Either way, you can totally hold aggro with it as a cross-class skill....... in Sastasha (Normal) (and likely the other early dungeons as well, up through Toto-rak).