All right so let me get this straight: If it is not in i110 it doesn't count ? Because that's the geat that was intended for it ? Where do you draw the line ? Do we remove fear turn 13 server first because they took 5 weeks to kill it and had too much gear by then ? The argument is about as solid -- not very.

More to the point, do you expect anybody to go back and meld materias 4 into i90 crafted gear ? That "i110" argument is funny because no one ever did those without going out of their way to cheat on their stats using gear. No one did this fight with the hp pool that people had access to in full HA or whatever. And nobody is going to burn dozens of millions of gil to craft otherwise useless accessories just to prove a point. I suppose that makes you happy -- you can continue having your delusionned view of the world ("ohhh back in the days people were truly hardcore, but now they are all a bunch of crybabies that suck, GET OUT OF MY LAWN GODDAMMIT") without the FEAR of anyone breaking your bubble, comfortable in your armchair where you spend your old days iddling.

Yeah, the fight is easier in i130. So what ? I still don't see any group that did it before that, so clearly it must not be THAT easy.

As for those that argue that the server is a joke, well, i don't see most of you doing those savage turns either, despite all your bark, so i guess that makes you the butt of your own joke. At least we're not so buried into our own cynism that we can't appreciate a challenge without some gear carrot to motivate us, even if it took us a helluva long time to get there. What's your excuse, old men ?