Phoenix Progression Thread: A Thread Reborn

[WildBlueShark]

As a precursor to the following statements, this thread is not my thread and will always be organized according to the majority opinion of Phoenix's raiding playerbase. I dislike drama and I prefer to just add dots.

There are two arguments that cropped up last time with regards to Savage:

1) First is First, any kill is Server First as long you kill it before someone else.

2) Server First outside of it's literal meaning is about progression and should not be given when the game moves on to the next tier of content. Even if no-one kills it until 5.0.

Let's just talk about which of those two (or a variant) is how people feel we should record these things, because it will most likely be relevant for Alexander (Savage), without any personal stuff or drama.

For now congrats on your Savage T8 kill and I'll record it with a placeholder marker to be replaced along with EQ's T9 kill if that's how the discussion goes.

[Kaerline]

I really dislike drama, so I'll just pretend the last few pages never happened. I would like to go back to a very good point made by Ravona though:

There are two arguments that cropped up last time with regards to Savage:

1) First is First, any kill is Server First as long you kill it before someone else.

2) Server First outside of it's literal meaning is about progression and should not be given when the game moves on to the next tier of content. Even if no-one kills it until 5.0.

Let's just talk about which of those two (or a variant) is how people feel we should record these things, because it will most likely be relevant for Alexander (Savage), without any personal stuff or drama.

This is something that was completely missed, not sure if intentionally or not, but I feel like it would be good to set some kind of parameters for everything savage. Now, going all like "no i110 no dot" is a bit reductive since all everyone posts as proof is a screenshot. I mean, a group can go in there in full i130, get the kill, have everyone swap to i110 gear and then take the screenshot. Maybe it would be worth it to, I don't know, have two separate savage columns, so we can record whoever does it before next tier of content and who does it after, so we can (hopefully) avoid further drama and do what this thread should be about, recording kills.
If anyone has a better idea, please do speak your mind!

Without any kind of rule in place, well, I'm sorry but you'll have people coming here posting screenshots of kills that haven't been done before in this server claiming "server first", which is what happened in this case, apparently upsetting people.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Now, going all like "no i110 no dot" is a bit reductive since all everyone posts as proof is a screenshot. I mean, a group can go in there in full i130, get the kill, have everyone swap to i110 gear and then take the screenshot.

Yeah, could have done that indeed.

Damn our integrity!

[Askarya]

As a precursor to the following statements, this thread is not my thread and will always be organized according to the majority opinion of Phoenix's raiding playerbase. I dislike drama and I prefer to just add dots.

There are two arguments that cropped up last time with regards to Savage:

1) First is First, any kill is Server First as long you kill it before someone else.

2) Server First outside of it's literal meaning is about progression and should not be given when the game moves on to the next tier of content. Even if no-one kills it until 5.0.

Let's just talk about which of those two (or a variant) is how people feel we should record these things, because it will most likely be relevant for Alexander (Savage), without any personal stuff or drama.

For now congrats on your Savage T8 kill and I'll record it with a placeholder marker to be replaced along with EQ's T9 kill if that's how the discussion goes.

It's a good idea to set a rule like that. I'll vote for option 2.

After a new raid content patch (with higher ilvl) hits, only normal markers for a new kill. If at some point we should get a raid content patch in which we don't get higher ilvl, only the same ilvl as before (i know never happened, was never mentioned, but who knows?), it should still be treated as the same tier.