Who do you think will get the Black mage job? CON or THM

[chocothief]

Neither current lore nor current class abilities will guarantee who gets what job.

As far as lore:

Would you welcome changes to FINAL FANTASY XIV that would drastically alter the rules already set in Eorzea?

85% of players surveyed said YES. We gave Yoshi-P permission to do anything he wants. Current lore being tossed out is not out of the question.

As far as abilities:

Revisions to the battle algorithm has led to the need to redefine and redistribute actions, abilities, and weapon skills for all battle classes. As these changes can't take place concurrently with work on the algorithm, we have decided to release the list of changes planned for all classes around the time 1.19 goes live. The feedback we receive from players at this time will help to shape our work, which is scheduled for completion in patch 1.20.

Conclusion: Everything is on the table, lore and abilities can both be changed. THM could get ancient magic and BLM, or they could change their mind and give AOE cure back to THM with all of the status cures.

My personal opinion: look at the amount of abilities that need to be shuffled around, CON seems best suited as WHM and THM as BLM due to all the status-nas, buffs and heal-agas being with CON and DOTs, drains and attack spells (minus nukes and AM) being with THM. As I said, they can go any way they want, nobody knows except for them and all we can do is speculate. Anyone claiming they know for sure is ignorant and arrogant.

[Misha]

Obviously its THM ... CON was always the obvious for WHM, mix that in with them reworking all classes ability lists in 1.20 it'll be easily identifiable for those that can't figure this out :S They're only doing 1 job per class (to start) and whm + blm are given... all you need is a lil deductive reasoning to figure this out lol (So many useless debates/discussions on this >.<)

[MrLion]

wait so let me get this straight...

The job system is like...an evolution to the class? Or just like a subjob?

[Estellios]

Jobs are specializations for classes designed for large party play. You give up your versatility and out-of-class abilities in order to perform a specific role a lot better. So White mage you would become a lot better at healing be it through potency, enmity down, or whatever, but you would theoretically lose access to offensive spells and the like. The versatility of a class will be more useful for smaller groups where you need to cover more roles.

This is why I feel it's pointless to think that too much will be taken away from either of them. They need to remain versatile enough as a class to function and specializing them in the class ruins the point of having a job, and if they are specialized enough as a class how will you get more jobs for that class later on, as was intended?

[Xenor]

Most likely CON and THM are going to be redesigned. CON will lose some of its spells and THM will lose some of its spells.

[AmyRae]

Obviously its THM ... CON was always the obvious for WHM, mix that in with them reworking all classes ability lists in 1.20 it'll be easily identifiable for those that can't figure this out :S They're only doing 1 job per class (to start) and whm + blm are given... all you need is a lil deductive reasoning to figure this out lol (So many useless debates/discussions on this >.<)

On the surface, that's not a terrible guess.

THM seems pretty dark. Black mage is pretty dark. Should work out nicely.

Problem is, there's all the in-game lore concerning Gridania, the elementals living in the Black Shroud and the affinity the Conjurers have with the elements and discerning the "will of the forest." Black Mages have always been, in Final Fantasy lore, mages who call on elemental powers to smite their foes. Which, when you look at it that way, makes it extremely hard to fathom that Conjurers would not develop into Black Mages.

It's also complicated by the types of players who picked up the Conjurer job. Some wanted to be healers (and it's certainly designed for that role) and some wanted to be nukers (and it's certainly designed for that as well).

To suddenly yank the rug from under Conjurer players and say, "Sorry, you climbed the wrong tree," by not letting this progress into either white mage healers or black mage nukers would be a blow to the gut, in my opinion. The job system should offer natural progression not roadblocks in front of all that grinding you did for guessing wrong.

[NotoriousZow]

I really do not care which class unlocks which job... i just hope that they do not destroy the lore already established. Why can't Black Mage just have abilities that enhance potency and have access to higher tier nukes? Do they really need to give the elemental nukes to THM for them to unlock Black Mage?

I have to agree that Conjurer unlocking Black Mage makes more sense than anything else, but I am also unsure if THM should be a White Mage. THM does deal with life, but it also deals with death.

All I know is that taking the elemental spells from Conjurer and giving them to THM is a horrible choice as it completely wrecks the lore. =(

[Bluebun]

You have to look at it from this point of view: They never intended to add Jobs. Jobs came as a result of people disliking SE's attempts at "Different" classes in a unpopular game. People wanted the traditional jobs to capture the nostalgic FF feeling, so Jobs are now being introduced.

With that said, they never intended the lore to play into the traditional jobs, hence, classes will get some major redefining changes in order for classes to suit more to the traditional jobs.

We've seen AoE Cures and 2 additional Raises go to CON(Only), and damage increases to nukes for THM. It doesn't take a genius to see more than likely CON will end up WHM, and THM will end up BLM.

I notice a trend of the most vocal people wanting CON to somehow be both WHM and BLM, having CON as one of their career classes. To you people, I am sorry for you thinking you were ranking up CON to be the BLM, but more than likely you'll end up being the WHM.

[NotoriousZow]

If they can somehow have THM unlock BLM thus giving it some job-only abilities or traits to enhance potency... or maybe access to the highest tier of nukes, but leaving the elemental nukes on conjurer, then that wouldn't be so bad. It just makes no sense at all for THM to learn elemental spells and Conjurer not to learn them. Just because CON learns the elemental spells and BLM is unlocked by THM, doesn't mean BLM can't have access to them does it? Ugh, I wish we had more details on how the jobs worked. lol

[NoctisUmbra]

You have to look at it from this point of view: They never intended to add Jobs. Jobs came as a result of people disliking SE's attempts at "Different" classes in a unpopular game. People wanted the traditional jobs to capture the nostalgic FF feeling, so Jobs are now being introduced.

With that said, they never intended the lore to play into the traditional jobs, hence, classes will get some major redefining changes in order for classes to suit more to the traditional jobs.

We've seen AoE Cures and 2 additional Raises go to CON(Only), and damage increases to nukes for THM. It doesn't take a genius to see more than likely CON will end up WHM, and THM will end up BLM.

I notice a trend of the most vocal people wanting CON to somehow be both WHM and BLM, having CON as one of their career classes. To you people, I am sorry for you thinking you were ranking up CON to be the BLM, but more than likely you'll end up being the WHM.

It takes a special kind of genius to assume that THM must get BLM if CON gets WHM, when such a suggestion is not found in evidence in any way.

I will agree that CON is clearly getting WHM, and it is clearly going to be one of the first jobs released due to two major points:

1. CON recently received multiple tiers of Raise spells as well as exclusive rights to AoE Heals - effectively making it the healer of choice.
2. Jobs are being released for the express purpose of effective party-play, in which case a healer job is necessary and thus must be included in the first release.

So everyone can agree that it is effectively definite that WHM is among the first jobs to be released, and that it is most likely CON that will receive said job.

BLM, however, is only confirmed to be a finalized job name. Not confirmed in any way to be among the first release, and suggesting as much does not satisfy any need in a party environment as DDs are not particularly lacking.

Given the popularity of this thread, I would request the OP take advantage of this and post explicitly what the known facts are exactly - and how the released job names are not necessarily the first batch of jobs we are getting.

This way people can make educated guesses based on what little info we have, and we have less geniuses.