New Jobs Starting Level Discussion

[Synestr]

Hmm, but then a touch of fairness has to come into play. Heavensward will potentially bring with it a new player base. All of our assumptions and predictions are based off of the current player base, of which most have at least one class/job @ 50. What of the new players? Make them go from 1-30 to get to a spot where they can quest for the new jobs? Are the new job unlock quests in lvl 50 areas? Are there main story completion requirements to gain access to said areas or jobs.

It may not be perceived as "fair" nor "fun" for a new player to watch veterans xp for only 30 lvls while they, who may have joined up solely for the purpose of the newly introduced jobs, have to level a full 60. One would think, in fairness, heavensward would be a "reboot" for those jobs. All, veteran and new player alike, would begin at the same point with them.

[Snugglebutt]

I highly doubt the new job NPC will be located in the expansion zones, far more likely they will be placed in the current level 1-30 zones. The jobs are not gated behind the expansion zones. Expansion zones and such are locked behind a level 50+ MSQ requirement but jobs are only gated behind owning the expansion and leveling a character to 30.

New players should level from 1-30 just like everyone has had to on all other pre-existing classes, it's teaches them about the game and unlocks all the lower level content/features of which the older players have already unlocked all that stuff and learned all those things...it would highly unbalance the game to allow just these new classes a free pass to 30 skipping such leveling process when no others can do so. There is no need really to make those with pre-existing characters over level 30 to go back to level 1 since there is no new class being added in the expansion linked to the new jobs that starts at level 1. So unless you make the new jobs all start at character level 1 (which is confirmed will not) and force people to make a new character in order to re-level one of the current classes (given a lot of people have already capped or leveled all the current DoW/DoM ones past 30 because is no new class to level for them)...then the current planned system is as as fair as will get.

It is not making the game much harder for new players by asking them to level like everyone else had to do and unlock the new jobs at 30, if anything it is slightly easier on them than what older players had to go through since do not require leveling 30/15 and just require 30/0 while older players already have gone through that process multiple times for most people. The new jobs do not start at level 60 no matter whether your newer or older player the new jobs require level 30 and will very likely need to be leveled from there to the cap. You will not see a vast amount of people at 60 on those new jobs for a while because they too have to level up from 30 to 60 on those new jobs and 1-30 does not take that long so the new players would not be that far behind yet they will learn about the game and unlock the lower level content along the way while catching up.

[Rahsch]

Though for the new players who don't have a lv50 I feel like the new jobs would be unlocked in the new zones. If they were to be at the city states every time it might be too clustered and make no room to have a area to call their own (unless they open up new areas in the city with which is what they did with rogue/ninja.

I say new zones because you have to go through the story mode of 2.x to even get into the zones of Heavensward but it's just speculation.

[Snugglebutt]

Though for the new players who don't have a lv50 I feel like the new jobs would be unlocked in the new zones. If they were to be at the city states every time it might be too clustered and make no room to have a area to call their own (unless they open up new areas in the city with which is what they did with rogue/ninja.

I say new zones because you have to go through the story mode of 2.x to even get into the zones of Heavensward but it's just speculation.

Level 50+ MSQ to unlock the zones and level 30 requirement to unlock the jobs are not the same thing.

The two different requirements do not imply a link, if anything the fact one requires 30+ and the other requires 50+ would imply they are not linked. Given we know the expansion zones are for level 50-60 it is unlikely they will get a level 30 job inside those level 50 zones. The city might not be a level 50 zone in terms of being no probable mobs inside the city itself which would kill level 30 players but logically it becomes extremely unlikely they ask players to reach level 30 to unlock yet require level 50 to enter to reach that level 30 job NPC.

Put simply, if the job NPC was located in those zones which are locked behind the level 50+ MSQ gate then SE would of said to make one of the new jobs you need to complete the level 50+ MSQ which they did not...since the level 50+ MSQ is required to enter those zones and did not say the level 50+ MSQ is required then you can be fairly sure those job NPCs will not be gated behind that same requirement.

[Synestr]

True it takes maybe an hour or so to get to 15/20 depending on how much you do. With that said though, why not start them at 1? Not to beat a dead horse or bring up "other" sutff, although I am going to. Other MMOs, with expansions have introduced jobs gated behind the expansions. SE specifically has done this in the past. The most well known is XI, Treasures of Aht Urhgan and Wings of the Goddess both had jobs that were gated behind that expansion in that the bestowing NPC's were located in the expansion areas. To get there you traveled through level 40ish areas (IIRC). Once unlocked they followed the start from 1 path.

Now this is not that game nor the same development team, I know. It is though a model they feel is successful.

IMO; DRK, MCH and AST all stem from the new expansion area. They are jobs that are "only" found in Ishgard / Dravanian areas. Please if anyone has any links to provide better insight, that would be greatly helpful.

[Snugglebutt]

IMO; DRK, MCH and AST all stem from the new expansion area. They are jobs that are "only" found in Ishgard / Dravanian areas. Please if anyone has any links to provide better insight, that would be greatly helpful.

I do not need to link proof they will be placed outside the expansion zones, common sense and logic dictate they will because if they were only in the expansion zones then SE would of said you need to complete the level 50+ MSQ to unlock the new jobs and they did not say that, they said only requires a level 30 character. I would instead ask you/others to prove they are locked away in the new expansion zones because if they were to do so then that would defy logic, until such proof is supplied then rely on common sense regarding the difference between the two requirements and how they never said you need to complete that MSQ to unlock the new jobs. I am not having a go at you, I am just saying the burden of proof is not on me and that the two different requirements listed is proof enough for my case put forth...yet you should prove what I bolded because there is no evidence that the job are 'only' located in those places at all.

[Mrfox0707]

I honestly would like them to start at Lvl 1. We are all pretty sure that's not happening..sooooo I will be alright with lvl 15. I really hope it's not more than that.

[Able]

I really hope that they start at 1. I can't think of a single reason it makes sense for them to be treated any differently than the current jobs. All that's confirmed is that you'll need a DoW/M job at level 30 to unlock the job quest for the new jobs.

[Snugglebutt]

I really hope that they start at 1. I can't think of a single reason it makes sense for them to be treated any differently than the current jobs. All that's confirmed is that you'll need a DoW/M job at level 30 to unlock the job quest for the new jobs.

Three confirmed facts which relate to things mentioned in this thread...firstly the expansion zones are locked behind the level 50+ MSQ, secondly the requirement for unlocking the jobs is just a level 30 character and owning of the expansion (if the job NPC's were locked within the expansion zones they would of put the level 50+ MSQ as the requirement for unlocking the jobs since you would not have access to those places at level 30) and thirdly the new jobs will not start at level 1. It is fine to build theories around those facts but you cannot pretend those facts do not exist within the theories.

For example a theory that they will de-level your character once unlock the new job at 30 is possible and if did so they might reduce your level by the cumulative amount of EXP gained from leveling a character from 1-15 because old jobs required 30/15 while these new ones require 30/0...but that reduction would not equal a reduction of 15 levels because level 1-15 does not equal the same amount of effort/EXP grind as 15-30. The theory would also need to include the fact if had such a repercussion then how would SE target that penalty to only those who already had a pre-existing 30+ character in order to not penalize the new players alongside the older ones of which would invalidate any balance attempted between old and new. You cannot say however it will start at 1 in your theories because that contradicts the known facts.

The theory that the new job NPC's will be located in Coerthas for example is another possible theory or that will be located in the major current cities, perhaps any place which is safe for a level 30 character to be within the current non expansion zones is fine etc because does not contradict the information supplied by SE. You cannot say they will however be only located in the expansion zones because that does contradict what SE have told you and your theory would only be possible if SE lied to you about the requirements. Base the theories on what is known and not wishful thinking that contradicts what we have been told...at least if want the theory to be taken seriously.

[maneatinglizard]

I really hope that they start at 1. I can't think of a single reason it makes sense for them to be treated any differently than the current jobs. All that's confirmed is that you'll need a DoW/M job at level 30 to unlock the job quest for the new jobs.

Agreed. I'm already not a fan of these jobs lacking base classes; making them start at a later level would just make them feel somewhat half-baked to me.