Goodbye Battle Regimens

[Arcell]

you can queu up BR with a single press of a macro, which is the same thing in XI, and they are changing it not because they suck, it's because they cant work with the new claiming system, i agree less clicks would be nice, but calling it a bad system just because of that.. Yeah..

If you're using a controller, it's even easier. Highlight ability, hit emote button, BR started. Hit menu to finish it.

Unfortunately I think a lot of the problems with Battle Regimens were that they were never explained really. I didn't know about the controller shortcuts above until someone else brought them up to me.

[Rhylee_Mau]

It's obvious many people never experienced a well executed BR... vent helps ^^. If you stack 2 magic spells from 2 different classes, then pile on the weapon skills... the guys that stacked near the end will do massive damage. Ever seen a 1500~ damage Chaos Thrust on Batraal? Now imagine the 2 spells do either DoT or 300~500 damage, first 2~3 weapon skills do 400~600 damage and the last 2~3 weapon skills do 1000~1500 damage. That gives you a potential to do around 4000 damage on Batraal in less than 5 seconds. Did I mention if you do a defense down debuff you do more damage? When regular hits do more damage you get more TP. Then you can pile on other stuff and put restraint debuffs on the mob.

The ONLY downside is getting locked in BR. That can be solved with a close knit LS or even static party that uses voice communication. I only hope BR ver. 2 will be much more fluid while keeping or enhancing the effects of BRs.

Edit: You can even do mage DD parties. Two WS from 2 different classes then pile magics... damage is comparable or better if you tune the magics to the mob's weakness.

[Zanfire]

It's obvious many people never experienced a well executed BR... vent helps ^^. If you stack 2 magic spells from 2 different classes, then pile on the weapon skills... the guys that stacked near the end will do massive damage. Ever seen a 1500~ damage Chaos Thrust on Batraal? Now imagine the 2 spells do either DoT or 300~500 damage, first 2~3 weapon skills do 400~600 damage and the last 2~3 weapon skills do 1000~1500 damage. That gives you a potential to do around 4000 damage on Batraal in less than 5 seconds. Did I mention if you do a defense down debuff you do more damage? When regular hits do more damage you get more TP. Then you can pile on other stuff and put restraint debuffs on the mob.

The ONLY downside is getting locked in BR. That can be solved with a close knit LS or even static party that uses voice communication. I only hope BR ver. 2 will be much more fluid while keeping or enhancing the effects of BRs.

Edit: You can even do mage DD parties. Two WS from 2 different classes then pile magics... damage is comparable or better if you tune the magics to the mob's weakness.

The big flaw here is communication, especially in a game is cross region and cross platform, we wont always have that option, particularly when your in a grind party or a quick raid or something with people who might not speak your language (after playing years of FFXI, im not the type who only plays with LS members)

[Rhylee_Mau]

It can be solved with party chat spam (though I don't really like spam)

/p {Battle Regiment} {Regiment of Ruin} defence down 3s. (Or any random timer adjusted to party compatibility)
/wait 1
/br on
/wait 1
/ac *normal attack/magic* <t>

and

/p {Battle Regiment} {Weapon Skill} {Ready!} 3s.
/wait 1
/br on
/wait 1
/ac *weapon skill/magic spell* <t>

You'll have your FFXI feel of skill chains.

Edit: Might as well try it, screw around with it and have some fun before they take it away. Who knows, it might help people burn through Ogre and Batraal on speed runs ^^

[Chardrizard]

SE just needs tutorial in their damn game... they didn't even tell you how to go active mode post-auto attack patch when u start the game..

[Zanfire]

really? what was so disorganized about it? it was simple and it worked. FFXIV just takes that system and makes you click to start it up and click again to execute it, and while in that process your locked in. I REALLY dont see how thats an "evolution"..to me that sounds like more inbetween annoyances.

But either way, they are changing it so i personally dont care how much you loved it, it not going to be that same thing anymore.

[Alcide]

really? what was so disorganized about it? it was simple and it worked. FFXIV just takes that system and makes you click to start it up and click again to execute it, and while in that process your locked in. I REALLY dont see how thats an "evolution"..to me that sounds like more inbetween annoyances.

But either way, they are changing it so i personally dont care how much you loved it, it not going to be that same thing anymore.

I already said why I think SC was unintuitive and disorganized, I'm not gonna repeat myself coz I know in a few pages someone is gonna point out that I'm always saying the same thing XD Still I fail to see why it takes so many "clicks" for you, it's just 1 extra button for only 1 person out of potentially 8 in BR, the process of stacking a skill is exactly the same as performing it if you know the hotkeys, you have to click 1 more button if you're doing it with the mouse, but I don't think you're gonna die of arthritis for 1 button...

But don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a perfect system, I think it's really poor in combinations and gets boring after the "WHOOOOA DAMAGE!" thing, but still the foundation is easy to teach, easy to understand and easy to perform.
I think that with the correct tweaking it has the potential to be a much more interesting and intuitive system than SC. I know they're changing it and that's a good thing, but I hope they're gonna fix and improve it rather than scrap it and go back to SC.

[Armozel]

Yeah, the whole system seems wonky at times. BR needs to be something like the combo system in Chronotrigger, imo. Where an attack combo can be initiated but for more TP and MP (plus some timer or potency mechanic to reduce spamming).

[TidBones]

Well BR not that good, having to wait until everyone sets their ws ..not fun.
Apart from that, i hope when they come back they dont need to be set up , and making them self SC would be great, ffxi SC was simple and great, things dont need to be complex to be great.

[Murugan]

Well BR not that good, having to wait until everyone sets their ws ..not fun.
Apart from that, i hope when they come back they dont need to be set up , and making them self SC would be great, ffxi SC was simple and great, things dont need to be complex to be great.

Why don't you simply stop playing/BR'ing with people who suck at queuing then? This was a player problem, not a problem with the system.

BR was not overly complex, the new system I think needs to be more complex/flexible with visible effects and more of an impact (both through the order of certain abilities, maybe actual "chain effects" from like the different class specific or job specific 2k+ TP Weapon Skills). It needs to have specific uses that make it mandatory, or near enough to it for high end party play.

BR better not be gone too long, DD'ing without it is maybe 1/10th as exciting. Purely rotational combat as found in most MMO's "endgame" is for monkeys.