Healer LB is really....underwhelming.

[Saseal]

I'm actually kinda bummed out Bards are getting a dps lb. We get way more utility out of LB3 than healers do (healers are dead, bard lb), and adding one more dps lb to the pool is hardly necessary.

In a perfect word I think Healers should have an LB that tops off health and shields like the current tank lb (degree of shield dependant on lb bars), bards would have a raise + stun the boss lb(length of stun dependant on bars) and tanks could have an invulnerability one that also fills everyones tp and mp(length of invulnerability dependant on bars).

Either way, definately going to miss my "oh s***" button.

Same....I saved a Garuda EX party (with several DFed new peeps in the party, hence the derping) with a clutch Bard LB3.
I find, a good chunk of the time, that when a party goes down while I'm on bard, I'm either the last one, or another ranged is all that's left alive in a bad run. I'm completely fine with having no DPS-based LB3 when I'm on bard (though, kinda tedious when you're running a dungeon with two bards as the dps...) if it means there's a possible hope/chance that a surviving DPS can get everyone and, importantly, the healers back up...

[Eisenhower]

It's an LB made to be used as a last ditch effort if things go to hell. All it needs to be.

That's what it IS, but it shouldn't have to be something so lacklustre and it definitely doesn't need to be relegated to such a singular role. That is why I think it's a shame the healer LB exist in the space it does (along with the tank LB).

For the melee and ranged DPS, their LB can be used to quickly damage targets that you don't want to deal with the normal way, to finish of a target before or after it's all gone to hell or just to push the fight into another phase. It's a tool that can be used in different situations.

The same cannot be said about the healer and tank LBs. Their utility is narrower and there are few situations in this game where they can be used to manipulate a fight in the same way the DPS LBs can.

[Ramien]

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On the other hand, melee and ranged DPS LBs are almost always non-necessary. Most of the times they get used, it's because they're available, but not because they need to be used. They're routine; something to push the numbers along a little faster.

The tank and healer LBs, though, if used when needed, are life-savers, literally. They can atone for a lot of sins committed early in the fight. I would prefer to see the healer's in particular get a bit of a boost at lower levels, though. (If things are bad enough you'll need it, someone's already on the ground, most likely.)

[Sanguisio]

They should add MP restore to all 3 levels of the LB.

LB1 - should do more than a cure 3, health healed should be a %

[CycLee]

(...)but let's be honest, has healer LB ever actually saved anyone from a wipe?(...)

yes it did and it was part of several tactics in the past.

But the Tank LB and the healer LB are kind of gamechanger if anything went wrong or is about to get realy nasty, while the DPS-LB is for the standard situation.

[Cynfael]

My gripe with the healer LB is that a handful of "this one time at band camp" stories about how it was useful don't make it anything better than extremely situational, and only then if everything has already gone to hell and you have nothing to lose.

What was said about it having no place in a well-planned and executed encounter was true; it's an extremely slow, risky, butt-clenching excuse for a panic button.

[Eisenhower]

On the other hand, melee and ranged DPS LBs are almost always non-necessary. [...] The tank and healer LBs, though, if used when needed, are life-savers, literally. [...]

That the tank and healer LBs being life-savers does not inherently increase their value as compared to the oft-used DPS LBs. It is part of their very function and it does not make them more necessary than their DPS counterpart. Arguably, no LB is necessary and the mechanical hurdle can be overcome by other means. The frequency of their use is based on their utility and the problem remains that the tank and healer LBs comparatively lack that flexibility and utility.

yes [the healer LB saved people from a wipe] and it was part of several tactics in the past.

I don't think I've been raiding (I'm assuming) for long enough to experience these tactics. I'm curious now. When/where was using the healer LBs an planned part of an encounter and how was it used? Why was it discontinued?

[Cynfael]

On a side note, if translations are correct, Yoshi seems to be saying that, with the LB revamp, existing LB3 effects are being divvied out as individual class skills in Heavensward, meaning that WHM at least is likely to be able to do this under its own power, while SCH will probably get a whole new skill.

[Yumi_umi]

I guess the reason y LB3 roots u in place and makes u pray on ur knees is cuz it wants u to pray tht u won't get hit by any aoes or tank busting moves lol.

But i'm sure the scenario where you LB3 party and revive everyone only to have urself die and be the only one on the floor happened to a lot of ppl lol.
Oh well its working as intended lol

[AldoVonAlexandros]

At the right time? Yes, i have saved the day, dont know on what situations you r using it, it has to be on a precise moment, no every healer knows it