Can someone explain to me Lazy Tanking please.

[RecklessLion]

Ok I've been playing Warrior for quite sometime now doing dungeons and all and everything was going great. Being a tank was fun, easy, cool until this one dungeon called Brayflox's Longstop pops up. Now I thought being a tank was all about taking aggro and keeping it away from the rest of the team mainly your healers. After this dungeon I was called lazy tanking. I'm not sure what that is meant and no one is taking the time to explain this. Now before I start lashing back at healer who think putting minions to sleep while tank is low on HP is more effective and leaving me to die is the best choice explain to me what I am doing wrong. I pull aggro and actually damn good at it and I keep it but its useless if i cant stay alive because Healers are idk looking at scenery because no one else besides me is taking damage and then i get hit with the lazy tanking comments. Please help me understand.

[Kuurei]

It might be that you weren't pulling fast enough, or they misinterpreted your toolkit at your current level. Brayflox Normal is probably the most horrid tanking experience I've had so far -- and I survived going blind into AV lol. A lot of these lazy claims lately have been speed-run based. A lot of the healers I've run into during that dungeon will use sleep on adds BECAUSE they understand that it's hard on newer tanks at that level; our toolkits don't fully flesh out till 40 though 30 is often good enough for slower pulls.

[RecklessLion]

Its not even that its the healers are letting me die with the comment lazy tanking. Now I pulled aggro like I said I pull it and keep it under control. Its rare that minions leave my attention. Yes it cost more TP when Bards and black mages are around but none the less i care about my team sooo i spend the needed TP to keep aggro. What got me is lately a lot of healers rather do other things instead of heal me and when I die the comment "if you keep being a lazy tank your healers will let you die"..........Hmmm sooo pulling aggro wasnt enough? Keeping crowd control wasnt enough? If i could record my play you would see well he pulling and keeping aggro why is healer doing other things then healing him. Now the comeback response is why what i just typed.

[RecklessLion]

Yes I noticed that which is why I'm starting to think going into Brayflox as a warrior is the dumbest thing ever. Defiance isnt backed up by anything but more hp and 3% magic buffs. Now I ran this dungeon plenty of times without Defiance and the healer kept me alive and it was actually a very quick run as a marauder but its dealing with those who think they understand the game and become tunnel vision with class more so then whats available at the current lvl. Tank classes suck at early stages I'm going through that crisis now actually finally surpassed it and now that i understand how to use Warrior more so then Marauder healers just let me die instead of heal me. And I've been in parties where my Health never drop past half vs those where i have to pop Hi potions and use every thing i have to stay alive while they DPS -___- thats becoming an issue in my books.

[Perzeval]

While I couldn't understand every point in your post and what you mean by "Lazy tanking", it is certainly not advisable going into Brayflox NM being a Marauder. Now THAT would be a reason to be called a "Lazy tank", because the Healer would automatically assume that you delayed your job quest and have not obtained your Warrior crystal yet. You wouldn't be happy either to find a Conjurer instead of a Whitemage in your lvl 30+ group because it means you are missing out on Cure 2.

Btw, Defiance does not only increase your HP but also increases the amount of heal you receive by the same percentage. It is usually mandatory to have it switched on to easen the burden on your healer.

[Reinfeld]

I would just like to chime in here for one second. As someone who had played both healer and tank extensively I know you technically do more damage without Defiance, but if your healers are doing "other things" as you said (by which I assume you mean they are DPSing) it's likely that Defiance will allow your healer time to deal much more damage than you could contribute in your unbuffed state. Defiance really makes that big a difference between your bigger HP pool and buffed heals. That's especially true when you reach level 40+ dungeons and your WHM/SCHs have access to Holy/Bane.
Now, if I get one of those lazy "I'm gonna sit here doing nothing for 10 seconds then throw out a cure, regen and afk again" sometime's I'll say fuck em and drop Defiance.

And the term "Lazy Tanking" isn't in common use so I have no idea what he meant by that, I would have had to see what the run was like. Though if you have your warrior crystal you should never be running Marauder. The Devs intended for classes to be "good for small party content", but in reality they are complete and utter garbage.

[LunaFaye]

lazy tanking is used by most healers that complain of tanks not popping enough cooldowns or any defensive skills in time. With that said, I can recommend that you ignore it.

I took a break from the game and just got back a little while ago, I've never seen so much bad healers/tanks and dps than nowadays. If you die due to an healer dps'ing then remove the healer. If you die because you stand there 45 minutes and healer runs out of mp, you run out of tp and the dps still hasn't killed 1 mob, replace the dps. Makes life so much easier and you can move on.

[Ashkendor]

Maybe you're just running into an unfortunate number of people that don't understand that tanks have a very short list of defensive cooldowns/abilities available in low level dungeons. Are you using Inner Beast, Thrill of Battle, Bloodbath and Foresight when you have them available? Have you cross-classed Convalescence? If you're doing all of these things, then just shrug and chalk it up to someone being clueless. If you aren't, that's probably why you're being called lazy. If you run into a healer that's too busy dps'ing to heal (or worse yet, is just standing there as if they were afk), by all means vote kick and replace them. The healer's primary role is to keep the party healthy. If they aren't doing that, there's probably someone else that would be happy to JIP and take their place.

[SpookyGhost]

Three things:

1.) Looked at your Lodestone profile and you have no accessories. You'll want to invest in either getting VIT ones (for more health) or STR ones (for more DPS/aggro).

2.) You'll want to go WAR in Brayflox - MRD has it's merits in some dungeons but for the most part that extra boon to HP and access to Inner Beast is a life saver. The increase of healers cure potency on you is actually 20%, which is quite significant. Sometimes you can turn Defiance off to deal more damage, but your first job as a tank is to keep aggro and not die - both of which are helped greatly by having Defiance on.

3.) As Ashkendor said, make sure you're popping defensive CDs, even on trash. It can help a lot. Some relatively experienced healers will DPS, so you may dip lower than normal, but the good ones won't let you die. If you do die, and you've used defensive CDs, it's their fault.

[PetiteMalFleur]

Healing a warrior in Brayflox who won't put up defiance is a nightmare. The mobs hit relatively hard and your health will be extremely spiky. If you are dying then what you are doing is a dps loss and defeats the purpose of dropping defiance. The healer was probably sleeping mobs because they literally could not you up otherwise. OP, your healer was a saint if they completed the dungeon with you anyway. I would have vote dismissed you if you had not put up defiance after requesting you to.

That said, there are times you can drop defiance to push dps, but this should be after establishing solid threat, after your healer has a good handle on your health, and with a major defensive CD up. Learning to stand dance isn't a bad idea but if you happen to die when defiance is down this is always your fault.