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    Player Selli's Avatar
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    Selli Noblesse
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    For those saying that the party should be locked out of boss fights when someone is viewing a CS forgets a very important detail.

    NPC text.

    You know, the stuff you have to actually click to continue.

    Someone could easily AFK in a cutscene and eff up a whole party for a chance to troll. Now that isn't really fair either, is it? Having to force someone to eat the 30min timer because the whole raid is stuck. (I actually did a Prae/CM where a BLM AFK'd the whole run in what I assume was the same CS. The tanks made us wait 10 minutes before pulling the first boss 'cause we thought it was a legit newbie)

    They could fix this by making the non-voiced-text able to proceed on its own, but those who read at a slower pace would complain even if it was 1min per chat box (and considering some NPCs talk FOREVER, you might be waiting for a 20min CS anyway).
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    LalaRu's Avatar
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    Mi An
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    Phantom
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Selli View Post
    For those saying that the party should be locked out of boss fights when someone is viewing a CS forgets a very important detail.

    NPC text.

    You know, the stuff you have to actually click to continue....
    This is the first and only reasonable point about CS not skipping for all.
    Yes the text must go ahead itself after a reasonable time, to avoid afk or troll locking.

    It already happens on some part of main scenario cs, so I guess will not be hard to have it happen everywhere.

    Edit:
    P.S. For anyone complaining about farming times: DF for farming? Are you serious? Make a party and spam some high level.
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    Last edited by LalaRu; 04-07-2015 at 06:59 PM.

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    Brightsayge's Avatar
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    Selene Brightsage
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    i just watch the C/S's in my room. ill wait and not complain about it, but id prefer if it everyone skipped.
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    Arugo Kusaragi
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikono View Post
    allows other players to either force you to skip them or to not let you participate in the fight.
    Nobody forced you to skip, in fact, from your story, you did NOT skip the cut scene..
    Sure the tank was an asshole for not waiting the 30 seconds for a boss introductory cut scene, but if you want to experience the fight, you could always just run it once more, you probably will run it again in the near future anyway for other reasons..
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    Yomiko Readman
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    Even BETTER suggestion: Skip the cutscene, do the fight, go back to inn, watch the cutscene!
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    Cynfael's Avatar
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
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    Quote Originally Posted by elemental10 View Post
    Even BETTER suggestion: Skip the cutscene, do the fight, go back to inn, watch the cutscene!
    I don't support asking first-timers to watch cutscenes after the fact for most story content. Events at the Praetorium, for example, make little sense without them.

    While I have zero patience for players who want to stop and smell the roses for the hundredth time, I do have patience for first-timers.
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    Last edited by Cynfael; 04-10-2015 at 11:27 PM.

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    Duuude007's Avatar
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    Duuude Bismarck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    I don't support asking first-timers to watch cutscenes after the fact for most story content. Events at the Praetorium, for example, make little sense without them.

    While I have zero patience for players who want to stop and smell the roses for the hundredth time, I do have patience for first-timers.
    As do I. they can spend a full hour watching the cutscenes for all I care. Their choice. It doesn't really affect the rest of the team.

    What does affect the rest of the team is those who spend even half as long as that, and demand the rest of the party do jack squat waiting for them. One or the other, people.
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duuude007 View Post
    As do I. they can spend a full hour watching the cutscenes for all I care. Their choice. It doesn't really affect the rest of the team.

    What does affect the rest of the team is those who spend even half as long as that, and demand the rest of the party do jack squat waiting for them. One or the other, people.
    There's no simple solution, as I have to agree that no single person's time is more important than anyone else's.

    Personally I'm inclined to wait for new people and allow them to experience both cutscenes and gameplay, but if the party insists on moving ahead, that's a valid choice.

    However, I do think that it makes for a better community to help new players have a good experience, so it's always my hope that parties will choose to accommodate new players to a reasonable degree (if it takes them 5 min to watch what should be a 30 sec cutscene, that's an imposition and not reasonable).
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    Duuude Bismarck
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    Even if the majority of the party wants to progress without watching cutscenes, I will still offer up a compromise. I will tell the new players they can either come with us and watch in the inn, or watch all of the cutscenes at their leisure, as the rest of us thin the herds of enemies ahead.

    The latter option is being generous to the new player, while letting vets do SOMETHING useful, instead of sitting on their hands for 30 minutes.

    Often when I suggest this, the new player appreciates the compromise in their favor.

    Of course this is not always the case. Many demand too much of the other seven players, and refuse to compromise even then.

    Quote Originally Posted by JaderauntOnJenova View Post
    I think most would suggest to not party using duty finder if [reasons] is a requirement and frustration will ensue... They should make a party on their own with friends or FC members or create a party of [like-minded players] using the party finder. Using the duty finder they will get random people new, vets, etc.
    Hey, I fixed that for you. Because your suggestion is applicable to both newbies and vets, not explicitly vets. Nobody is excused from being able to ask someone they have partied with before (or even in shout), if there is a more useful way to form 8 player parties.
    DF is indeed a randomizer of newbies and vets, and therefore zero people should have preexisting expectations on what the party makeup will be.
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    Last edited by Duuude007; 04-09-2015 at 11:03 PM.

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    Jaderaunt Desmoulins
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Duuude007 View Post
    Even if the majority of the party wants to progress without watching cutscenes, I will still offer up a compromise. I will tell the new players they can either come with us and watch in the inn, or watch all of the cutscenes at their leisure, as the rest of us thin the herds of enemies ahead.

    The latter option is being generous to the new player, while letting vets do SOMETHING useful, instead of sitting on their hands for 30 minutes.
    What/Where is this Inn?

    I don't care too much if people kill off trash mobs but OP was outside the boss area and was locked out when the encounter was started. I think most of them are like 15 secs. A lot of the story mode main quest line cut scenes are longer than that.
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