Thread: Before the Fall 2.55 part 2 - Release date...

Originally Posted by kyuven

This is because:
1) A lot of players want a REASON for this to exist. Why are we suddenly able to summon a magical barber into our inn room? Why are we suddenly able to turn our heavy plate armor into a bikini? Explanations are important.
2) A lot of these need an explanation. Players respond better to an NPC telling them how it works rather than a pop-up tutorial screen. This isn't true for everyone, but it's true for a lot of people.
3) It's important to know where the heck this stuff is.
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So, in a way, this is self-imposed on your part since you're going against what the system was designed for.

I kind of agree with Kiara on this. I was unable to cover my rank 40 chocobo because of the way the system works.
See I read all of the NPCs chat options, I knew how to cover and where to go. Yet apparently it required a quest to unlock, and woe me as I retired my chocobo as soon as I hit rank 40.

I have ALL the requirements to cover my chocobo, but I can't because its locked behind a quest I can now no longer obtain.


So I agree that it's completely pointless and stupid to hard lock features of the game behind quests.

Originally Posted by kyuven

TERA and WoW both did this too, with things like dungeons, attunements, and whenever they added a new feature.

That's not the case. WoW never locked any standard feature behind a quest that you HAD to do first.
For example the Glamour system or Dye system in FFXIV? You need to do a quest first.
The transmog system or the dungeon finder in WoW? You only need to reach the level requirement for each dungeon in WoW, and the transmog system can be used by literally anyone, without a quest thats unneeded.

Originally Posted by silentwindfr

FF14 is a mmorpg driven by the story, if you don't like this part of the game i fail to understand why you play it. quest are what bring story, is not a sandbox.
other point, it's nice to put quest for unlock stuff, like this you know they exist and how it work....

Please read what I actually wrote, and what it was about.
What ''other point''? I only had one point? I don't see anything about story?

Having a quest needed to unlock things, what for? The NPC in question tells you everything you could want to know.
You are literally given everything you need to be able to do said features.

On top of that, you seem to be forgetting the active help, which also tells you exactly how a feature (basic or otherwise) works.

Originally Posted by SDaemon

There are plenty of features in WoW that require(d) a quest to do/unlock. MoP farm, WoD garrison, selfie twitter cam to name a few.

Those are 2 features that were added as an expansion exclusive. As such they are very bad examples as they are not available unless you have said expansion. They are also not basic features of the game.
There's a bit of a difference with a feature that has no story/plot surrounding it and one that does.

Originally Posted by SDaemon

Now you are splitting hairs here.

Huh? Don't you mean you are? You listed 2 features that have nothing to do with my argumentation?
I did say basic features of the game. Which are features available to everyone, (mostly) regardless of level, or what not.
The 2 features you listed are only available if you have the expansion, and a high level character.
And on top of that both features are story related to begin with. The garrison is a major part of the story in WoD.

Sorry, I thought you made a serious response to me intially, my mistake..

Originally Posted by kyuven

Molten. Core.
Hard Mode keys.
Also a lot and i mean a LOT of WotLK content.

Huh? Please read where I said basic feature. I do not want to go into a discussion where molten core had no attunment, and only a bare level level requirement to it. (which wasnt even 60) As that would be off-topic.


Look guys I get it. You are all happily ganging up on Kiara for this or that reason.
But just because I agree on one point made by said person, does not mean you also have to gang up on me for no reason at al.


Quest gating for basic features such as dyeing, or glamours is pointless because the system itself perfectly explains how it works. And because its a feature ment to be available for everyone, without much of a fuss.
The only thing it does, is give a chance to screw over players that for whatever reason cant obtain the quest.
(due to the poorly implemented quest system in FFXIV)
^ That is my argument, please respond to that if you wish to have a discussion, instead of involving me in your crusade against Kiara.

Originally Posted by Aeyis

molten core had no attunment

http://www.wowhead.com/quest=7848/at...nt-to-the-core



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