Thread: Before the Fall 2.55 part 2 - Release date...

Originally Posted by Lemuria

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My last two mmos I played was Tera and Wow Vanilla. I don't really remember how it worked in tera but I remember that doing the storyquests were pretty fun. In wow vanilla there was no main quest. If I wanted to do a dungeon I could just get a group and walk right into it. Thats why I'm kinda disappointed that in this game everything is locked behind quests. Every dungeon (although the quests to unlock level 50 dungeons are short so im okay with that) and mostly everything is locked behind quests. Want to use glamours? Need to be level 50 and do a quest. Want to unlock housing wards? Need to do a quest. I just think its a silly approach and I think that when we are in the appropiate level we should have them unlocked automatically.

Originally Posted by Kiara1

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This is because:
1) A lot of players want a REASON for this to exist. Why are we suddenly able to summon a magical barber into our inn room? Why are we suddenly able to turn our heavy plate armor into a bikini? Explanations are important.
2) A lot of these need an explanation. Players respond better to an NPC telling them how it works rather than a pop-up tutorial screen. This isn't true for everyone, but it's true for a lot of people.
3) It's important to know where the heck this stuff is. The glamour quest is important because it not only tells you how to do it and why you're able to do it, but hooks you up with the NPC who can sell you the blank glamour prisms and dispellers.
TERA and WoW both did this too, with things like dungeons, attunements, and whenever they added a new feature. They just did it earlier OR you were already at the correct level when it was released. FFXIV staggers content so you're not overwhelmed, nor do you accidentally spend 20k gil on glamour prisms on gear you replace in 2 levels, leaving you with no money for teleports or repairs.

And it won't be unlocked account-wide because this game isn't designed for alts. It's designed with the idea that you'll have ONE character with all the classes. The only reason to have multiple characters is bank space, endgame content lockouts, experiencing the differences in the early quests based on city state, and gold saucer stuff. Raising a completely different character just to play a different class is actually hampering your main character's abilities since those crossclass skills are important.
So, in a way, this is self-imposed on your part since you're going against what the system was designed for.

Originally Posted by kyuven

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I see your point, I just dont agree with it.

But I can't really agree with the last part. Ofc its made for alts, why would there be caps for poetics for instance? With more characters I can get more poetics.
Also for raids, you get locked out after beating a turn in a current raid . With more characters you can bet it again, with other players, or the same players.
So I see loads of reasons to get alts.

Other maybe less important reasons, you can be female/male, you can be a lot of different races. So I can't agree with you that this game isn't made for alts, then there wouldn't be lockouts imo

Originally Posted by SDaemon

There are caps on poetics (just as the 2 tomes prior) to prevent players from gearing too quickly. It staggers the gearing up process. With more characters you get more poetics in the sense that you have more characters to grind it on, but you are still cap locked on each of those alts of yours and you aren't able to use those poetics for anyone else.

Hence alts are viable, since you can gear up more classes in a single week- With the current system it takes x weeks to gear up ONE class, and since this game lets you play all classes on one character we should be able to get, say "tankpoetics" "healer poetics" "casterpoetics" "meleepoetics". It isn't made for multiclasses really since you can decide on gearing up one class to max, or getting gear for each class every week but you can't gear them all up until cap is gone

Originally Posted by Kiara1

Hence alts are viable, since you can gear up more classes in a single week- With the current system it takes x weeks to gear up ONE class, and since this game lets you play all classes on one character we should be able to get, say "tankpoetics" "healer poetics" "casterpoetics" "meleepoetics". It isn't made for multiclasses really since you can decide on gearing up one class to max, or getting gear for each class every week.

Um...your argument was alts being a reason for the cap. The cap doesn't exist to support alts. It exists to slow down the gearing process. With or without alts being possible the cap would still be there. The game is designed to level multiple classes, whether you level multiple jobs is your choice and is supported with various means of getting high-level gear for various jobs.

Originally Posted by kyuven

This is because:
1) A lot of players want a REASON for this to exist. Why are we suddenly able to summon a magical barber into our inn room? Why are we suddenly able to turn our heavy plate armor into a bikini? Explanations are important.
2) A lot of these need an explanation. Players respond better to an NPC telling them how it works rather than a pop-up tutorial screen. This isn't true for everyone, but it's true for a lot of people.
3) It's important to know where the heck this stuff is.
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So, in a way, this is self-imposed on your part since you're going against what the system was designed for.

I kind of agree with Kiara on this. I was unable to cover my rank 40 chocobo because of the way the system works.
See I read all of the NPCs chat options, I knew how to cover and where to go. Yet apparently it required a quest to unlock, and woe me as I retired my chocobo as soon as I hit rank 40.

I have ALL the requirements to cover my chocobo, but I can't because its locked behind a quest I can now no longer obtain.


So I agree that it's completely pointless and stupid to hard lock features of the game behind quests.

Originally Posted by kyuven

TERA and WoW both did this too, with things like dungeons, attunements, and whenever they added a new feature.

That's not the case. WoW never locked any standard feature behind a quest that you HAD to do first.
For example the Glamour system or Dye system in FFXIV? You need to do a quest first.
The transmog system or the dungeon finder in WoW? You only need to reach the level requirement for each dungeon in WoW, and the transmog system can be used by literally anyone, without a quest thats unneeded.

Originally Posted by silentwindfr

FF14 is a mmorpg driven by the story, if you don't like this part of the game i fail to understand why you play it. quest are what bring story, is not a sandbox.
other point, it's nice to put quest for unlock stuff, like this you know they exist and how it work....

Please read what I actually wrote, and what it was about.
What ''other point''? I only had one point? I don't see anything about story?

Having a quest needed to unlock things, what for? The NPC in question tells you everything you could want to know.
You are literally given everything you need to be able to do said features.

On top of that, you seem to be forgetting the active help, which also tells you exactly how a feature (basic or otherwise) works.

Originally Posted by SDaemon

There are plenty of features in WoW that require(d) a quest to do/unlock. MoP farm, WoD garrison, selfie twitter cam to name a few.

Those are 2 features that were added as an expansion exclusive. As such they are very bad examples as they are not available unless you have said expansion. They are also not basic features of the game.
There's a bit of a difference with a feature that has no story/plot surrounding it and one that does.