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    Frankly, I don't mind that you have to have numbers in a certain position... I mean duplicate numbers are possible in the winning number. But I really think it shouldn't matter where the number matches..

    For example say the result was:
    7734 winning number
    3774 your number

    So you match all numbers, but only 2 are in the right place so shouldn't you still get to win for matching 2 in the right place?
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    ~Terra-chan~

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    Lotteries count the later digits for the smaller prizes so that people watching the draw live have hope up until the very end. It has nothing to do with language styles.

    For people who say 'any position should count' - why? Neither way makes more 'sense' than the other, but they do have very different prize spreads and chances. The Jumbo Cacpot way gives simple odds:

    1st prize: 1 in 10,000
    2nd prize: 1 in 1,000
    3rd prize: 1 in 100
    4th prize: 1 in 10

    (Ok I know I haven't tweaked the figures to take account of people not winning multiple prizes, but it makes minimal difference.)

    The Jumbo Cacpot is perfectly fine as it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJA View Post
    The Jumbo Cacpot is perfectly fine as it is.
    Kind of, at least fine in a game where RNG >>>>>>>> rest. If you are lucky, you get everything for free. If not, you can/must spend the game time of 2-6 AAA games to get the same.

    Very, very strange for a MMO (and pretty much every other game), simply because it will make 0,01%- 0,1% of the players happy and everyone else will hate it. But it's their decision. Tipp for the players should be: don't care for it, you WILL be dissapointed else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinRethiel View Post
    Kind of, at least fine in a game where RNG >>>>>>>> rest. If you are lucky, you get everything for free. If not, you can/must spend the game time of 2-6 AAA games to get the same.

    Very, very strange for a MMO (and pretty much every other game), simply because it will make 0,01%- 0,1% of the players happy and everyone else will hate it. But it's their decision. Tipp for the players should be: don't care for it, you WILL be dissapointed else.
    none of that ^^^^ makes any sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brightsayge View Post
    none of that ^^^^ makes any sense.
    All of it does, if you or others don't understand it, work on your intelligence.

    It's a lottery. It's something you expect to 'never' win, even if you play it every week from here until the game shuts down. If you do win, it's absolutely fantastic.
    Correct. As said, it will make <1% of players happy and disappoint all others. Strange concept.

    Sure, you do such things in real life, because you want to bleed people dry and take all their money - but in a game? For the Gold Saucer as a whole it only got disadvantages, reducing the worth of all other activities, because while most of the players never will win, they will still hope to do.

    What's next? Every weekly reset a free Level 200 weapon for a random player? I mean, why not? Lottery! Or why not a housing lottery? Every week a free house? Wouldn't be such a great win as the Jumbo kackpott, because even a big house is easier to obtain than 1M MGP, but I'm sure those winners would still be happy about it, no? And who cares about the others, those jealous ****.
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    Last edited by RobinRethiel; 03-17-2015 at 11:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinRethiel View Post
    What's next? Every weekly reset a free Level 200 weapon for a random player? I mean, why not? Lottery! Or why not a housing lottery? Every week a free house? Wouldn't be such a great win as the Jumbo kackpott, because even a big house is easier to obtain than 1M MGP, but I'm sure those winners would still be happy about it, no? And who cares about the others, those jealous ****.
    winning the lotto doesn't give anyone a competitive advantage. giving a random person a higher level would. again your arguments are terrible. you need to keep trying though. one day you will succeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinRethiel View Post
    Correct. As said, it will make <1% of players happy and disappoint all others. Strange concept.
    To be completely honest, the only strange thing about that would be anyone who took something called "Jumbo Cactpot" serious enough to let it cause problems for them. It'd be nice to win, but if you go in head first thinking you will... you have only yourself to blame for any disappointment that follows. Does it suck that I don't win? Of course, but I'm not gonna dwell on it for longer than 10sec maybe. It might be a video game, but its one that you're playing with other people. It's one that prestige can be an attractive concept (think of all the people who will be jealous of you if you were to win the 1st place prize and buy yourself a Fenrir mount).
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    There could be a number of reasons as to why the number goes from right to left but it usually comes down to the type of word processer your program is using.

    For example, Hebrews write from right to left but their numbers go from left to right. Try writing numbers into a word processor that supports the language and you will probably find it writes the numbers right to left the same as the text. This is a common annoyance in word processors that support the language.

    The more common reason for the numbers here going right to left is that its the easiest way to program the number distribution. Assigning numbers based on their place values in the order they are drawn is the simplest way to tell the computer how to handle the number. Place values increase from the start at units, tens, hundred, thousands (visually starting from the decimal point and moving right to left). This way there is a very clear start point ( in this case 0 or the decimal point) and a clear end point (a number in the thousands or hundreds if the thousands place value happens to be a 0).

    To assign numbers from left to right is more complicated because the computer can have trouble assigning the first number to a place value unless explicitly told. For example if you drew a 1, the computer would have to explicitly be told which place holder to assign the number to otherwise it wouldn't know whether the number was to be treated as a 1, 10, 100, 1000, etc. (whereas if going right to left, it would be treated simply as 1).

    This requires more complicated coding to be written and there are other ways it can be handle such as treating integers as text until you have the completed text and converting it back to an integer. Obviously where time and money are of value most people would pick a simpler system.

    As for why numbers can't be matched in any order is pretty obvious, the odds of 1 in 10000 are already very good by lottery standards and matching numbers in any order would just increase the odds substantially that people would be winning left, right and center and multiple times a year. this is what the mini cactpot is for.
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    Last edited by Fitzy; 03-17-2015 at 03:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fitzy View Post
    As for why numbers can't be matched in any order is pretty obvious, the odds of 1 in 10000 are already very good by lottery standards and matching numbers in any order would just increase the odds substantially that people would be winning left, right and center and multiple times a year. this is what the mini cactpot is for.
    More specifically it's that every individual digit in the Jumbo Cactpot is its own separate entity. If this were, say, "Pick four different numbers between 1 and 10", then matching the numbers in any order would be sensible. But as "1 1 1 1" is a valid ticket this obviously is ridiculous.

    Also it's amazing how fired up some people are over this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garlyle View Post
    More specifically it's that every individual digit in the Jumbo Cactpot is its own separate entity. If this were, say, "Pick four different numbers between 1 and 10", then matching the numbers in any order would be sensible. But as "1 1 1 1" is a valid ticket this obviously is ridiculous.

    Also it's amazing how fired up some people are over this.
    You know, in reality though, that's almost as easy to win as the mini cactpot if that were the case, since it's bound to that rule as well. And as we all know, while it's possible you may not have had a chance to win the 10k, many people have lol. I've been doing it every day and already won 3/3 of the cards that had 10k on it. Some folks have won way more than that. And with how many people there are participating in it across all servers, you'll see A LOT of winners over time, even if you or I may never be one.
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