My Philosophy on Needing for Lower iLevel Gear

[Gunspec]

The community in this game tends to need on gear that isn't a direct upgrade BECAUSE this game is designed to make gear appealing to all characters of all levels.

In WoW, you either wear armor, sell it for a tiny amount of gold, or disenchant it if you happen to be an enchanter (which most characters are not). Other mmos I've played let you smash armor into dust, which might be used to create upgrades, but never the best stuff in the game. So when you run a dungeon and something drops that isn't an upgrade, you have no logical REASON to need it. 20 gold or one extra enchanting crystal means nothing in terms of character progress.

In FFXIV, armor can be sold for high amounts of GC seals (only way to get moonstones and relic items), converted to materia (used by raiders and relic weapons), desynthed into valuable components necessary for endgame equipment, or worn by classes you have yet to level to 50. Want battlecraft demimateria III? You need to win rolls on armor that you can desynth in level 70-90 dungeons. Need a moonstone for your supra tools? Either grind a dozen fates in level 50 zones, or turn in 3 pieces of level 100 dungeon gear.

Now sure, rolling need on things I can ONLY turn in for seals is pretty selfish when I'm already sitting on a decent stack of moonstones, but for people who don't like running fates, it's a valid option. And I'm not going to pass up the chance to get leather working and armorer gear to desynth, especially since I'm still leveling those up.

So this isn't "other mmos". Everyone has something useful to do with gear they win. If you think your reason is more important than others, go ahead and ask. If you say nothing, don't be surprised when I need on armor and desynthing it in your face.

[Yumi_umi]

I need for the sake of needing.
Needing needs me to need.
Its the way of life and when the time comes you know what button i'm going to press.

[Llyren]

The only way to get some looks is to win it in a dungeon or raid.

When I am going for those looks, I am playing on a class that can push the <need> button.

[RiceisNice]

This sort of thing is the way it is. People will hit need regardless of what they'll do with it (even if it means doing nothing with it). Such as labyrinth, the bard gloves dropped and it was a direct upgrade for me (and would've certainly helped me meet the ilvl checks for HM primals). There was only one other bard and I had asked if I could have the gloves. The other bard who was already using the myth gloves roll need on it.

Why? At that point, you couldn't trade LotA drops for seals, nor was desynthesis even in the game. I really doubt he was going to use it for glamour. His reasoning: "I hit need and won, deal with it."

No matter how you look at that, that's more-or-less douchebaggery, especially when I had asked if I could get the gloves as an upgrade. I mean all in all, I could at least reason people will use drops for desyn or seals, but just doing it to be an arse is imo crossing the line.

[Lyzern]

I really don't care what you guys think of me, but I need on EVERY piece that I can.


Why? Because I can.

Does that make me a douchebag? Maybe yes, maybe not, the point is I need money, I need good glamours and I need higher level desynthesis. I don't "Want" these things. I "need" them for my own progression.

A lower level player "needs" better gear? Tough luck, there's an NPC right around the corner willing to sell good white gear for minimum gil. Arguably, I need low level gear MORE than a low level needs it, because the gear they'd need on, would be useless in a couple of hours, literally, with levelling being so fast on your first class and with all the quests you have that will give you good gear. While my gear serves the purpose of permanent development, be it for Desynthesis, for buying crafting mats that I need to make money to get myself a house and for a glamour piece that I can use forever.

So, my philosophy is: I don't care about what you need it for, if you can need on it, let the dice roll.

[RiceisNice]

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My need is greater than your needs.

Even if it's something they can only use for a couple of hours, it'll end in the same result as you; vendored for minimal gil, desyned or traded for seals. Arguably, they're getting one more use out of you; using the gear for said hours then vendoring/trading/desyning it.

Their needs are greater than your needs. Saying you "need it more than anyone else" is pretty off the radar.

[Lyzern]

My need is greater than your needs.

Even if it's something they can only use for a couple of hours, it'll end in the same result as you; vendored for minimal gil, desyned or traded for seals. Arguably, they're getting one more use out of you; using the gear for said hours then vendoring/trading/desyning it.

Their needs are greater than your needs. Saying you "need it more than anyone else" is pretty off the radar.

As I said, I don't really care Dungeons aren't charity

[Ramzal]

I have no philosophy. It's a game and if I play it, I have equal amount of right to loot as everyone else. If I roll high on something and get it that's the end of it. If I don't get it, that's the end of it.

[RiceisNice]

Then you could have simply said that instead of trying to argue that you need things more than another (when really, everyone is going to use it for the same purpose more or less.) And my post was directed to people who roll need just to be an asshat.

I'm talking about people who are rolling need on items that could not be traded for seals (LotA at hte time) or desynned, the most he would've gotten was a 700gil vendor which is honestly less than pocket change. Those that roll need on untradable minions when they already have one (I have two Enkidus now because of that accidental need)... Not sure if the same applies to mounts as well.

[Ashkendor]

You can also buy a HQ piece of the same level in the market boards and turn it in for GC seals. Or desynthesis. I'm not sure what your point was, but Teslo's argument still stands. One of these methods involves a lot of unnecessary costs, and risks since materia melding isn't always guaranteed. One is simply a drop in a dungeon.

It comes down to who's inconvenienced most, and the upgrader is the clear winner in this example.

You can't turn in white gear for GC seals though, so the majority of crafted gear can't be turned in unless it happens to be on the list of daily turn ins for your grand company. Pink/green/blue gear can all be turned in for seals. Honestly, if I'm leveling up a lower level class I keep my gear up to date by crafting it myself and any gear I can Need on in dungeons I simply turn in for GC seals. As far as desynthesis goes, you can only reasonably level it up so high with the items you can craft yourself. You can either grab dungeon drops when they come up or you can spend a crapton of money crafting i70-i110 accessories just to break them down for .01 exp and get your cheapest material back (and a lot of the time you're just going to flat-out break the item for no gain at all).