My Philosophy on Needing for Lower iLevel Gear

[Lemuria]

You can also buy an HQ piece of the same level in the market boards and meld materias in it if you need an upgrade. You can try again.

You can also buy a HQ piece of the same level in the market boards and turn it in for GC seals. Or desynthesis. I'm not sure what your point was, but Teslo's argument still stands. One of these methods involves a lot of unnecessary costs, and risks since materia melding isn't always guaranteed. One is simply a drop in a dungeon.

It comes down to who's inconvenienced most, and the upgrader is the clear winner in this example.

[Felis]

You can also buy a HQ piece of the same level in the market boards and turn it in for GC seals..

Don't work with gear for glamour

[Ashkendor]

You can also buy a HQ piece of the same level in the market boards and turn it in for GC seals. Or desynthesis. I'm not sure what your point was, but Teslo's argument still stands. One of these methods involves a lot of unnecessary costs, and risks since materia melding isn't always guaranteed. One is simply a drop in a dungeon.

It comes down to who's inconvenienced most, and the upgrader is the clear winner in this example.

You can't turn in white gear for GC seals though, so the majority of crafted gear can't be turned in unless it happens to be on the list of daily turn ins for your grand company. Pink/green/blue gear can all be turned in for seals. Honestly, if I'm leveling up a lower level class I keep my gear up to date by crafting it myself and any gear I can Need on in dungeons I simply turn in for GC seals. As far as desynthesis goes, you can only reasonably level it up so high with the items you can craft yourself. You can either grab dungeon drops when they come up or you can spend a crapton of money crafting i70-i110 accessories just to break them down for .01 exp and get your cheapest material back (and a lot of the time you're just going to flat-out break the item for no gain at all).

[Rhais]

I think that people pervert the meaning of the word "Need" to suit their purposes and to make themselves feel like less of a douchebag when they Need on stuff. The simple fact is that if it's not an immediate upgrade to your current piece of gear, you should be hitting Greed.

People should stop trying to add their own subjective definition to what the "Need" option means. It is simply a system to give priority on loot to the classes the gear was designed for, that is all. Intended use, upgrade or not, or anything else has nothing to do with it.

[Dyne_Fellpool]

Yeah, I played EQ2 for 10 years and it was ALWAYS considered a dick move to Need on things that weren't a direct upgrade for you, stat-wise. It happened but very rarely and was super frowned upon. The community just understood that vanity/glamour/that game's version of desynth did not constitute "Need" the way an actual stat upgrade did.

So it was definitely kind of a shock when everyone needed on everything they could in this game. It was frustrating and I definitely saw it as a VERY dick move at first. But eventually I just decided to go with the flow... "when in Rome" and such. I still prefer the other philosophy but really I suppose neither is inherently right or wrong, its one of those things that ends up being dictated by the community.

[Lyzern]

I really don't care what you guys think of me, but I need on EVERY piece that I can.


Why? Because I can.

Does that make me a douchebag? Maybe yes, maybe not, the point is I need money, I need good glamours and I need higher level desynthesis. I don't "Want" these things. I "need" them for my own progression.

A lower level player "needs" better gear? Tough luck, there's an NPC right around the corner willing to sell good white gear for minimum gil. Arguably, I need low level gear MORE than a low level needs it, because the gear they'd need on, would be useless in a couple of hours, literally, with levelling being so fast on your first class and with all the quests you have that will give you good gear. While my gear serves the purpose of permanent development, be it for Desynthesis, for buying crafting mats that I need to make money to get myself a house and for a glamour piece that I can use forever.

So, my philosophy is: I don't care about what you need it for, if you can need on it, let the dice roll.

[RiceisNice]

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My need is greater than your needs.

Even if it's something they can only use for a couple of hours, it'll end in the same result as you; vendored for minimal gil, desyned or traded for seals. Arguably, they're getting one more use out of you; using the gear for said hours then vendoring/trading/desyning it.

Their needs are greater than your needs. Saying you "need it more than anyone else" is pretty off the radar.

[Lyzern]

My need is greater than your needs.

Even if it's something they can only use for a couple of hours, it'll end in the same result as you; vendored for minimal gil, desyned or traded for seals. Arguably, they're getting one more use out of you; using the gear for said hours then vendoring/trading/desyning it.

Their needs are greater than your needs. Saying you "need it more than anyone else" is pretty off the radar.

As I said, I don't really care Dungeons aren't charity

[RiceisNice]

Then you could have simply said that instead of trying to argue that you need things more than another (when really, everyone is going to use it for the same purpose more or less.) And my post was directed to people who roll need just to be an asshat.

I'm talking about people who are rolling need on items that could not be traded for seals (LotA at hte time) or desynned, the most he would've gotten was a 700gil vendor which is honestly less than pocket change. Those that roll need on untradable minions when they already have one (I have two Enkidus now because of that accidental need)... Not sure if the same applies to mounts as well.

[Dererk]

Don't forget people will be going in as the role and need on gear to gear the new jobs in 3.0.