I think Im a @#$%y tank

[Lenwe33]

At least thats what players make me feel. Im relatively new to tanking. I wanted to play a tank class because Ive never done it before. But, it would seems no matter how much I read about the class or videos I watch Im never able to play up to others standards.

Ive ran Wanderers Palace Hard 100 times flawlessly. I know where every mob is, how they move, their abilities, and where to place them but none of that is good enough hey bro bigger pulls. Im not the 7+ mob tank guy. I havnt built my skill level up to that yet and even when I explained that I wasnt comfortable pulling that large the reply was Just use flash.

So I did as was told and pulled 2 groups of 4, used flash(along with my rotation) as I was told, and as expected ended up dying and wiping. Now Im getting blamed from the wipe and now Im frustrated.

I really enjoy this game. Ive been playing since 1.0 and I would really like to get some advise from the community how I can tank this problem.

[HeavensSword]

Shield oath and using cooldowns?

I'm obligated to ask.

[Lenwe33]

Yes. As far as minimum tank requirements yes. I Shield Oath is always up and beginning of dungeon and I start every pull with shield lob and transition into my rotation as needed. My problem isnt keeping hate in general, its the large pulls (6-7+)

[Kaitlen]

Ive ran Wanderers Palace Hard 100 times flawlessly. I know where every mob is, how they move, their abilities, and where to place them but none of that is good enough hey bro bigger pulls. Im not the 7+ mob tank guy. I havnt built my skill level up to that yet and even when I explained that I wasnt comfortable pulling that large the reply was Just use flash.

Never let someone else in the party dictate how the dungeon should be run. You are the tank, you control the pace of how things go. Do not pull more than you are comfortable with.

I will however impress upon you to keep your gear up-to-date, make sure you're using Shield Oath at all times and learn a solid hate building rotation. This includes rotating through mobs to make sure you keep hate in case some DPS'er is attacking a target you may not be focused on. (this changes a bit as you work your way higher and are more comfortable with holding a large pack of mobs.)

Last night, I had this poor tank in SV that I was healing on Scholar. I didn't bother to check his gear until later, but he was getting laid out every couple of pulls. (despite Eos and myself spamming cure on him and other mitigation stuff like Eye-for-Eye, SS and whatnot.) Anyway, I checked him later and he was wearing level 9 to level 30'ish gear in a level 41 dungeon.

His skills were okay as far as hate building but his gear was a problem in this case. Luckily, he was with a good group and we kindly explained the gear issue along with explaining the dungeon. In return, he wasn't an ass about it and gladly accepted our feedback.

Point is - do you part and try to keep your gear up to date and understand what skills you have for damage mitigation and hate building. When you run into people that try and force you to run a dungeon the way they want, either consider their advice or just ignore it and press on. I'll never vote-kick a tank from a group unless they really, really deserve it.

There's that old phrase; if you spank it, you tank it. (goes for DPS who try to pull more than I want to handle) /flamesuit-activate! :O

[Lenwe33]

Thanks for the advise. As far as gear, Im all over it. Most gears is i110 with body piece being i120. I WAS attempting to run 2 more dungeons tonight to max out poetics for this week(working on getting i120 pants) but Now Im just too frustrated/nervous/annoyed to even log back in. I appreciate the help though, thanks.

[HeavensSword]

Judging from your lodestone OP, your gear shouldnt be much of an issue for that dungeon in particular. You could consider leveling your marauder a bit to pick up foresight and bloodbath (mercy stroke is also nice for extra dps).

[Kaitlen]

Thanks for the advise. As far as gear, Im all over it. Most gears is i110 with body piece being i120. I WAS attempting to run 2 more dungeons tonight to max out poetics for this week(working on getting i120 pants) but Now Im just too frustrated/nervous/annoyed to even log back in. I appreciate the help though, thanks.

You're welcome.

I still get the occasional goofball in Expert mode, but I'm comfortable (i121) to do mass-pulls in those dungeons as long as the healer is up to the task. (most times, yes.)

When I don't want to tank; I'll switch to WHM.... then I realize, that could be more stressful than tanking....LOL. I wind up swapping WHM and PLD each day on expert, just to give my mind a break. I'm focused on learning to tank ShivaEX so I can take farming groups in. I actually really like that fight for some reason.

Good luck out there; don't stress yourself out over it.

[Perzeval]

Basically you can wrap up WP in 4 pulls even in the Duty finder. Pulling 2 groups at the same time is pretty much the minimum people are expecting, if you do less people will start complaining for sure (actually they already complain with 2 groups being pulled). Most people are overgeared for WP so the mobs should die pretty fast as well.

Things you could do to mitigate more damge is of course using the appropriate cooldowns, keep in mind the time when they'll be up again for the next pull. Another thing is proper positioning. Probably more than half of the tanks out there don't know that you can only block and parry frontal hits. If you are just jumping into a mob group and receive hits from a 360 degree angle, you will forfeit the biggest advantage of a Paladin - your shield block (and parry). Try to rearrange them while avoiding the ground AOEs, spam flash and get mana back from your MP combo.

[aerolol]

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Topic creator is talking about WP HM.
Not normal one

[Perzeval]

I'm sorry, though I'm wondering about the OP saying something about 7+ mobs because there are only two groups in WP HM that have 4 mobs (mage lizard + 3 mobs), and both of them are seperated far from each other. There is actually only 1 place where you can pull more than 2 groups, everything else is pretty much gated and limited to 2 groups max.