Is ff 14. Too feminine?

[Kolsykol]

A lot of people don't play because of what this game looks like. I also think if a person is a customer, or a prospective customer, they have a right to voice their own opinions - whether they are positive or not. I hate that whenever the FFXIV community is shown anything negative the first thing they always jump to is "go play something else". But no, even the majority of your not super masculine outfits in this game look pretty bad. At least there is a fairly large amount of things to work with, using their archaic glamour system. So you can dump some of the worst looking bits off of pieces.

I meant people who complain about what the game is on a fundamental level.
Like people complaining that the game doesn't look like Gears of War or Mordhau or something.

If you don't like that the game has a strong feminine aspect to its presentation then yes, go and play something else.
There's a lot of people who just refuse to play games with feminine characters or even female characters altogether, those people aren't worth listening to.
It's the same with people complaining about how other peoples mogs are '' too unrealistic '' and act like it ruins the game and tries to police how other people mog their characters.
Again, okay go and play a different game.
Or people complaining that they're embarrassed to play a game because it has boobs in it because they '' can't play it in front of my parents/ wife/ kids ''.
Acting like developers need to cater to that and take that into consideration is just people going '' me me me me me me me '', who made them so important that they get to dictate this?

My point is that people need to stop acting like games need to change just because they don't cater to what you want.
If someone looks at this game and doesn't want to play it because it's '' too girly '' that's on them, and I doubt they'd change their view just because they added more masculine outfits.
Note that their reaction wasn't to actually investigate if there were other costumes they might like in the game, their reaction was '' eeeww girls ''.
Either deal with it or play another game, that's what I have to do with like 99% of all Western games and I somehow manage.

Just because you're a customer doesn't make you entitled to tell the developers what to do either.
Just because you might own TLOU2 doesn't entitle you to try and dictate how buff Abby should or shouldn't be etc.
You can have an opinion on it, but if you just refuse to play the game because of it then okay. It doesn't actually mean anything, guess the game wasn't for you then.

[Ayuhra]

I don't think it's too feminine at all. Gear looks better on female characters usually, but that's to cater to a straight male gaze half the time.

I absolutely think more good looking gear for guys (not gender locked, just made with male characters in mind) would be great, though. Just don't put it in the cash shop. Unless cash shop purchases finally become account bound please SE I want this

[Halivel]

No, it's not, its aesthetic just (FINALLY!) has more variety than 95% of Western and Korean MMO games. There are enough ways to make your character look both like an absolute macho and like an elegant elf.
The OP doesn't seem to play the game anymore though, so they likely won't see fresh answers.

[Fourbestintoner]

Tanks and melee sets are too masculine.

[SturmChurro]

Just because you're a customer doesn't make you entitled to tell the developers what to do either.
Just because you might own TLOU2 doesn't entitle you to try and dictate how buff Abby should or shouldn't be etc.
You can have an opinion on it, but if you just refuse to play the game because of it then okay. It doesn't actually mean anything, guess the game wasn't for you then.

A customer voicing their opinions - good or bad - isn't "dictating" anything. There is a word for what it is, "feedback". By the way, I can't believe people are still talking about Last of Us 2.. I get recommended trash constantly about that game or see it mentioned all the time. The only thing a customer can do is not buy the product, not play the game. Voting with the wallet isn't an attempt to dictate either. If some developer decides to release some garbage, and it doesn't sell, or they want to reach a broader audience, they can look to the feedback to see what they can improve, or change. Still they are the developers, if they have a vision for it and they don't want to compromise, so be it.

Developers are the ones who are entitled if they think they are owed those record breaking sales, high active player numbers, etc. that they can show off to their investors just because they release something, anything. I think if a customer pays for a product, especially a subscription based game, where we are paying for a service, we are in fact entitled to voice our opinions; to give our feedback.

[magtuired]

My question is why this dude was letting his nephew's opinions dictate how he felt about the game as a grown man. Teenage boys are not exactly known for their tolerance and open minds.

[Iscah]

I think if a customer pays for a product, especially a subscription based game, where we are paying for a service, we are in fact entitled to voice our opinions; to give our feedback.

The thing is, not all feedback is equally valid.

Feedback about something that is objectively broken is different to something that is a matter of opinion.

If your feedback is "this game doesn't suit my taste in art/gameplay/music/etc so you should change it" that doesn't automatically carry any weight. The thing you don't like is what may have drawn a large number of currently-satisfied customers to the game, so there is no incentive for the company to change it unless at at large scale they are losing customers and their market research indicates that [element] is broadly disliked and putting people off the game.

It may seem overly obvious but different games cater to different people and they cannot please everyone at once. The creators pick a style that they want their game to have, and it's up to the player to decide whether they want to play a game with that style. Your specific individual subscription is not actually important to them so long as collectively enough people like what they are producing.

By choosing to pay for their service, you are indicating that you like the game as it currently exists and want to play it. It does not entitle you to say "I paid for this so change it to cater more to me".

[SturmChurro]

The thing is, not all feedback is equally valid.

Feedback about something that is objectively broken is different to something that is a matter of opinion.

If your feedback is "this game doesn't suit my taste in art/gameplay/music/etc so you should change it" that doesn't automatically carry any weight. The thing you don't like is what may have drawn a large number of currently-satisfied customers to the game, so there is no incentive for the company to change it unless at at large scale they are losing customers and their market research indicates that [element] is broadly disliked and putting people off the game.

It may seem overly obvious but different games cater to different people and they cannot please everyone at once. The creators pick a style that they want their game to have, and it's up to the player to decide whether they want to play a game with that style. Your specific individual subscription is not actually important to them so long as collectively enough people like what they are producing.

By choosing to pay for their service, you are indicating that you like the game as it currently exists and want to play it. It does not entitle you to say "I paid for this so change it to cater more to me".

I disagree. A thing that is objectively broken is a bug report. Feedback is feedback, and is all equal and valid. Even if it's something trivial, whether it's one person, or many. A developer can choose to listen to it, or they can choose to do nothing, Whether they are losing players or not. That's okay. For that matter, if a developer listens to feedback they may even gain more players (customers), or they could lose players - but it's up to them to decide. Nobody is putting a gun to the head of the devs and going "add cool outfits or else".

[Fhaerron]

I am not intending this thread to insult people. It is just an issue occurred where my nephews were going to play ff with me noticed the little lady's day event and looked up the outfits in the game. Now they are telling me they are not going to play the game with me because it is too girly. Are we going a bit too far in the aesthetics department of design as of late in this depiction that would cause a lot of male players not to even try this game?

Show them male roes in speedos and mog daddy outfits?

[FF16Necromancer]

The problem is are healers too feminine, not ff14.