Pro tip: Do NOT expect new player to get tips from the forums

[NyarukoW]

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As said in the original thread, we are only speed running 50+ Content. Nobody is discussing Speed running content at level 1. There are MAIN SCENARIO quests at like level 5 that require you to use emotes. ...

Level 1 or Level 50, it does not matter. People forget they can use emotes. People don't read english, people don't read your macro, etc. etc. You would hope people doing brayflox hm would know a thing or two, but don't be surprised if they are dealing with a speed run for the very first time, or know that speed run is even a concept or a thing.

You need to rephrase your macro to say "I will speed run if everyone agrees to speed run" instead of "there are any objections". This way you do not misintepret the non-response. Putting the onus on the new players is the wrong assumption and leads to wipes in your speedrun.

[MageBlack]

I 100% agree expecting people to use the forums if they are new to dungeons is silly.

I expect them to use youtube where they can get a visual rundown.
If you have special needs make a pf.

Yes, if you want to speed run content (Special need) start up a party finder.

[PandaPause]

What are you even talking about?


I don't understand your hatred here.

Arguing with NyarukoW is a lot like wrestling in the mud with a pig. After a few hours, you realize that he likes it.

[Aerowaffle]

If I see the "one or more players are new to this dungeon etc etc", I try to explain fights to the party. It's sometimes hard when the tank pulls mid explanation though.

I'm against speed-running in the first place anyway, so unless I'm also being dragged, it's not going to be a speed-run for the new players in my group.

[Grimmel]

Did this really need a new thread?

[MageBlack]

Did this really need a new thread?

Did the thread this is in response to need a thread?

[Malevicton]

Did the thread this is in response to need a thread?

I think he just means that if this is in response to another thread... why not post it in that thread? That's kind of how responding to a thread works. The button is even called "Reply to Thread"

[NyarukoW]

Did this really need a new thread?

It is not just about speed runs. People have all these unreasonable an unrealistic expectations about new and newer players. That has got to stop. Telling new players to stuff on this forum or other forums isn't going to fix what they don't know, because many of them do not even know to google for answers. Or better yet they do not know that they have a problem/question that needs an answer. And being mean and verbally abusing the new/newer players isn't going to fix or solve the issues either. Because pushing the string harder isn't going to change anything.

Instead of demanding that the new/newer players somehow magically know how do certain things and respond in a specific way, how about those of us who are more experienced player take a bigger picture view and be prepared to work around their problems, or help guide and teach and help them solve the problems together.

[Grimmel]

Did the thread this is in response to need a thread?

No it didn't.

[Ophie-Mio]

Level 1 or Level 50, it does not matter. People forget they can use emotes. People don't read english, people don't read your macro, etc. etc. You would hope people doing brayflox hm would know a thing or two, but don't be surprised if they are dealing with a speed run for the very first time, or know that speed run is even a concept or a thing.

If people forget to that they can use emotes in this game, then that is something special indeed. For people who run in all languages, yes, that may be a problem but that's a problem you have to deal with when it comes. Everyone basically queues for all languages so eventually you'll have to deal with the issue. That's what auto-translate is for.

If they don't read the macro, then that's their fault.

You need to rephrase your macro to say "I will speed run if everyone agrees to speed run" instead of "there are any objections". This way you do not misintepret the non-response. Putting the onus on the new players is the wrong assumption and leads to wipes in your speedrun.

No. This is literally the same question but demanding even more attention from people who either don't care or don't care to answer.
And he's not putting anything unreasonable upon any player's shoulders. He's literally just asking for a response and if they cannot be bothered to give ANYTHING in return, then they will have to get what they get.

Yes, if you want to speed run content (Special need) start up a party finder.

Except that speedrunning (depending on content) is the primary method of how to run the dungeons. That isn't to say that you won't find someone who wants to go at it leisurely...because even I do it from time to time but it's a general assumption in the current play style of this game that dungeons that are not expert are automatically speedrun and expert dungeons are speedrun when the conditions are correct. You may not like it but this is what the majority do.

And being mean and verbally abusing the new/newer players isn't going to fix or solve the issues either. Because pushing the string harder isn't going to change anything.

Did you know that sometimes when people mess up the newer players can be abusive towards them as well?
I've lost track of how many times friends tried to give advice to dps only to be given nasty words.
My husband was doing Zodiac on tank and was doing WP and had people who were in decent gear and he just went and pulled the first two groups. They were brand new to the dungeon but felt that even new, they could handle two groups. They immediately started to berate him and cuss him out and made fun of him the entire time until the end. Did he deserve that? No. Did he apologize for pulling (OMG) two groups? Yes, he did and did they still berate and cuss him out? Yes.
People need to be better towards each other. New/newer players are not precious little things that can't handle the content as the majority plays it. They'll be fine.