Pro tip: Tell me you're new to a dungeon /rant

[Amenian]

Wrong question was asked base on incorrect assumption. Ask if people want to speed run. If they don't respond and/or say yes, then do NOT speed run.

Your defaults are wrong and will invariably frustrate you. The only safe assumption is the lowest common denominator.

Pretty much this. Given unknown variables, you should be veering on the side of caution, not expediency.

[Rhas]

Thanks for reading the full post guys!

I asked. No one responded. Safe to assume they're alts.

Or they could just be on, you know... a PS4 and not having a real keyboard attached and don't feel like bothering trying to use the crappy on screen keyboard as you start running your speedrun because they were on the middle of typing and had to run and catch up with you...

Glad you could use your brilliant powers of assumption.

[AdamFyi]

Glad you could use your brilliant powers of assumption.

I think you missed this. Woosh~

When I originally made my post I had NO idea that typing "yes I'm new, please go easy" was so difficult. I mean, I do it ALL the time when I try something for the first time, and guess what? I get HELP from the vets! Go figure?

[Amenian]

I think you missed this. Woosh~

And apparently you missed the dripping sarcasm in Nova's comment that you quoted making it mean exactly the opposite of your bolded portion.

[AdamFyi]

And apparently you missed the dripping sarcasm in Nova's comment that you quoted making it mean exactly the opposite of your bolded portion.

But the question is, is it sarcasm? Sarcasm isn't easily expressed through text. Maybe you're the one misinterpreting things? I doubt that the OP would contradict himself.

That being said, it's simply AMAZING how nonsensical this thread has become. When I originally made my post I had NO idea that typing "yes I'm new, please go easy" was so difficult. I mean, I do it ALL the time when I try something for the first time, and guess what? I get HELP from the vets! Go figure? And what do I do if someone rages? I quit. I'm better off without that person in my game.

He brings up a good point. Regardless if it was a sarcastic remark or not, is it really that hard to say, "Yes, I'm new" when asked?

[Mishini_Dracoto]

Or they could just be on, you know... a PS4 and not having a real keyboard attached

ugh, this is such a dumb argument. Massive Multiplayer games require communication. You can use the soft keyboard, or just use emotes. It is not challenging. I wish people would stop coming up with excuses for gamepad players.

I am a gamepad player. I do not type with a keyboard. If I give people strategies, I either use PSN parties / voice chat, or get onto a VOIP client.

[Mugiawara]

Or they could just be on, you know... a PS4 and not having a real keyboard attached and don't feel like bothering trying to use the crappy on screen keyboard as you start running your speedrun because they were on the middle of typing and had to run and catch up with you...

Glad you could use your brilliant powers of assumption.

When I was on PS3, I bought a $10 Keyboard...so..
If anything, make a macro and say
"I'm new" and there we go.

[Jandor]

If I ended up in a new dungeon with you and you asked if I was new I would say yes... assuming you didn't ask me in French or Bulgarian or something, don't assume everyone speaks English dude.

[ExKage]

It doesn't matter who is new. Why the hell would you assume "SPEEDRUN HO!" The game tells you that they're new. What you do is ask, "Know what to do for this boss?"

And no one should ever be doing speedruns without checking someone's gear.

You -always- assume they are new unless they say "I got it."

[Mishini_Dracoto]

Good luck with your speed run that you're trying to force on new mute players .

You're doing this backwards. Never ever assume a speed run.

More Stuff b/c u didn't read Original Post.

As a tank, I completely Disagree. MOST people want to clear that dungeon As Fast As comprehensibly possible. MOST people want to clear faster than they are capable of clearing. I'm stating this based off of my experience, at least, in the Primal Datacenter.

Not really, I would say the safer bet is they are on PS3 with no keyboard, or they simply don't speak the same language.

I play on PS3, PS4, and lately, while "Using my PC" I've actually been using my NVIDIA Shield Portable, which I don't have a keyboard for.

Start (or options) left, left, X, hold down for a couple seconds, move the mouse to yes, or no. OR Write a Macro.

I have a HUGE Macro I use on all dungeon runs now, that states that I will pull as much as I think is apropriate, every time we wipe, I type "Sry" with the soft keyboard, and I pull less. (Which is also stated in my opening Macro)

But wouldn't it be safer to assume they are new?

There's really not much reason for alts in this game.

Nope, some people are never exposed to speed runs unless you force it upon them, and speaking from my own history, when people speed run something for the first time, and it's successful, they LOVE it and want to do it every single run from then forward. \

If I ended up in a new dungeon with you and you asked if I was new I would say yes... assuming you didn't ask me in French or Bulgarian or something, don't assume everyone speaks English dude.

[I don't understand][Please Use The Auto-Translate Function]

Since I spam Macro's at the beginning, if I saw a "?" or, any non-latin based character, I would use the auto translate, even though I am using a soft keyboard and it's slow.

It doesn't matter who is new. Why the hell would you assume "SPEEDRUN HO!" The game tells you that they're new. What you do is ask, "Know what to do for this boss?"

And no one should ever be doing speedruns without checking someone's gear.

You -always- assume they are new unless they say "I got it."

In the case of myself, I have a soft keyboard, and it's slow. So I assume everybody knows, unless they say otherwise. MOST parties are OK with the way I pull. I usually get full commendations at the end as long as I wait for new players to get out of cutscenes. That being said, I also don't lecture them if we wipe. I am pro for learning on the first run.

Like everyone else said, don't assume speedrun, ask before hand.

Not every healer is happy to heal you through 4 packs of mobs ya know, being new to a dungeon doesn't have anything to do with it.

Get some MANNERS*

This is not a bad point. I will again at least refer to my Duty Finder Heuristic, and say most people want to go fast. If a Healer asks me to go slow, I go slow. OP Did not explicity ask "Is a Speed run OK?" But he asked if people were new. If a Healer wants to go slow, they should know to use this opportunity to say so.

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Now, to address something I just touched on. I'm OK with the occaisional wipe. Similar to learning new instances on the first day of release. Everybody typically figures out the mechanics after a wipe or two anyway. and large trash pulls are large trash pulls.

If you are in the minorty while compared to my Duty Finder heuristic and start yelling, or perhaps vote kick, because I'm pulling to fast, but you haven't said your new, and haven't asked me to slow down, haven't asked for anything to be explained, then piss off. (Which has happened)

My friends, tell their groups right away when they are new. I see people say they are new all the time. I tell them, I'm going to just pull and see if they figure stuff out or not. Again, in my experience, most people like that. If they didn't, they probably would have already looked up the video.