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    Player Kaze3434's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    But I did heal them. They got their regen, e4e, and medica 2 and a good bunch of cure 2 while you are at it. I just switch to DPS to make sure the mobs are dead along with the speed runner while the party does not wipe. The speed runner obviously did not give themselves enough safety margin that is their own fault. Try pulling smaller next time.
    I do NOT repeatedly kill them. They can choose to be stubborn and get themselves killed again. Good thing you are not a GM for this game. The other members of the party already objected to the speed run and I am helping them not get abused by the speed running bully.
    key point here. you admit to actively trying to make sure that one person, the "speed running bully", dies because you (regardless of what anyone besides that one person said, or didnt say) felt like they no longer warranted healing and the time that could have been spent doing the primary role of a healer was best spent trying to kill them.
    another person had already used this before, but you ignored it in your reply, so lets try again. a group of 3 people hop into df, and you end up as the healer. greetings are made, and that magic question asked. "speed run ok?" you opt to say nothing, while the 3 who came in together already know what they want. you stay silent as some kind of test to see what they do. they give up trying to ask and start the dungeon. one big pull later, the tank is dead because of no heals(your regen, e4e, and med II prior/at pull are a pretty weak attempt to do much of anything). others ask what went wrong to kill the tank, only to be met with more silence. shrug and move on. this repeats on the next two big pulls and everyone is noticing that no heals are being given to the tank near the tail end of the pulls.

    at that point they have a few options; try and figure out why you keep letting him die, or kick you(and no, its not abuse of vote kick for kicking someone with different play styles, as pointed out by one of the posts in this thread).

    looking at how you normally respond, you will largely ignore anything in this post that could paint you to look bad and "defend" new people. while that is fine and dandy, the person creating the biggest rift between vets and new people is you, because you seem to think that new people are somehow totally incapable of using any form of comunication, and place sole responsibility on vets/speed runners. thats not how group content works, and that you think it is ok to do any of the things you do shows what kind of "person" you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaze3434 View Post
    .. the time that could have been spent doing the primary role of a healer was best spent trying to kill them.
    The primary role of the healer is to keep the party alive. The speed runner puts the party in the no-win situation where someone has to be sacrificed to the greater good of the party, and everytime that decision is both clear and correct to sacrifice the speed runner, the instigator of the problem in the first place. If the speed runner took the time to communicate the game plan and everyone was on board, then no sacrifice would be necessary. But to a speed runner the time spent to communicate properly and effectively makes it no longer a speed run. Unfortunately, the corpse of the speed runner on the ground is the only effective means to communicate with the non-communicative speed runner.
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    Player Kaze3434's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    The primary role of the healer is to keep the party alive. The speed runner puts the party in the no-win situation where someone has to be sacrificed to the greater good of the party, and everytime that decision is both clear and correct to sacrifice the speed runner, the instigator of the problem in the first place. If the speed runner took the time to communicate the game plan and everyone was on board, then no sacrifice would be necessary. But to a speed runner the time spent to communicate properly and effectively makes it no longer a speed run. Unfortunately, the corpse of the speed runner on the ground is the only effective means to communicate with the non-communicative speed runner.
    its sad that this entire response was predictable. ignored everything except that one point. last i checked, the speed runner(how you think anyone but the tank sets the pace is beyond me) dying repeatedly is going to be cause for concern no matter what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaze3434 View Post
    ....how you think anyone but the tank sets the pace is beyond me....
    The tank does not set the pace nor does the healer nor does any single player. The party as whole need to move as one and together they set the pace. I've tanked dungeons too and I've had to deal with speed running DPS pulling. Remember a few posts back:

    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
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    As tank you can just simply pull less. The idiot that pull mobs on their own, they touched it they bought it and they can die to it, I am not going to get aggro back from them, no thank you.
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    If the insane speed running healer pulls then I offer myself up as the sacrifice, I'll provoke, flash grab everything and die, and shortly after the healer will be dead too. And people will tell the healer to quit pulling everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NyarukoW View Post
    The primary role of the healer is to keep the party alive.
    You heard it here, folks! The tank is not part of the party!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    You heard it here, folks! The tank is not part of the party!
    The speed runner needs to be dialed down so they can be part of the party, and not the instigator of the wipes.
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