Pro tip: Tell me you're new to a dungeon /rant

[Snugglebutt]

Same can be said for casual running. You want to take it slow? Party Finder group it and tell me of your luck. As a BLM; as somebody who has ran these awful dungeons over, and over, and over, and over... DAMN right I'm expecting a speedrun.

Party finder was designed for the sole purpose of using prerequisites and requirements for a party to complete content, DF was not. DF is a group of random players across multiple worlds who never agreed to anything when queued up for it or prior to entering. If you want to speed run in DF, ask the group if it is okay with them once enter but they have every right to say no and you should not be doing a speed run without that permission/agreement. As I said earlier the default position for DF runs should be normal speed and with cinematics, players should not have to ask for a normal paced run in DF or ask for permission to watch cinematics in DF. Speed runs on the other hand should not be the default position in DF and should require asking permission of the group inside if they are all okay with speed running it before start clearing it.

[Zykor]

I pull half regardless of any message to test the group - after they pass the initial gear check. The new player message doesn't change the way I pull mobs, since there is no strat to killing trash... just pew pew them and stay out of red circles.
If a BLM only uses Fire 1 instead of 2? I now pull less instead of telling him to do it my way, since that shows he isn't comfortable with speed/not use to it.

I will, however, always go over boss strat if I see a new player message regardless if anyone speaks up or not.

[DragonFlyy]

I pull half regardless of any message to test the group - after they pass the initial gear check. The new player message doesn't change the way I pull mobs, since there is no strat to killing trash... just pew pew them and stay out of red circles.
If a BLM only uses Fire 1 instead of 2? I now pull less instead of telling him to do it my way, since that shows he isn't comfortable with speed/not use to it.

I will, however, always go over boss strat if I see a new player message regardless if anyone speaks up or not.

I like you!

[Skeith-Adeline]

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Our opinions of "should be" won't match so arguing our respective points to each other won't get far – i'll bow out of that discussion.
Also, if we ask before beginning the dungeon run, our presumptions of the groups intentions–of what should be–no longer matter.

You have a group who are tired of running the dungeons, and you have the group who are new. You then have a group of persons who aren't driven into maddening agony from running the dungeons over and over again.

[Kosmos992k]

Party finder was designed for the sole purpose of using prerequisites and requirements for a party to complete content, DF was not. DF is a group of random players across multiple worlds who never agreed to anything when queued up for it or prior to entering.
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As I said earlier the default position for DF runs should be normal speed and with cinematics, players should not have to ask for a normal speed run in DF or ask for permission to watch cinematics in DF. Speed runs on the other hand should not be the default position in DF and should require asking permission of the group inside if they are all okay with speed running it before start clearing it.

Indeed, I cannot understand how it is that players have come to believe that Duty finder is the place for speed runs and pre-mades in party finder are for normal speed, it's just ridiculous.

Well I thought it would be obvious that I didn't mean every tank in the game. :P

I presumed that you did not mean every tank in the game, but your statement was overly broad, and I wanted to clarify because I am pretty tired of people tarring all tanks with the same brush.