Pro tip: Tell me you're new to a dungeon /rant

[LunaHoshino]

Yeah, if there's only ONE person who rather have a normal-paced run, you damn well should do it.

This is exactly why people need to speak up and say that they're new/don't want to speedrun. Personally, as a DPS, I love speedrunning and will always say yes if asked. If I say yes and the healer says yes to big pulls and the other DPS says nothing, I don't feel that it's unreasonable for the tank to assume that means the party is okay with a speedrun-- after all, two out of three players explicitly stated it was fine and the other one didn't say it wasn't. How is the tank supposed to know what they want if they don't say anything?

[NyarukoW]

...
Why do you want to complete the dungeon, in an hour, instead of 20 minutes?

How about 30 minutes if it will avoid people cussing at each other and other unnecessary aggravations? As I've stated, I don't have anything against the speed run itself, because that is neutral, the problem is the speed runner. The speed runner needs to realize that it is much easier to complete a run without wipes than a speed run without a single death, because all it takes is one player dying to make the speed run pointless because the time will be lost to the player walking back to the group.

And no single player sets the pace, this is a group effort and you can only speed run when you have everyone on board, and silent people don't exactly count as being on board. And as much as I like efficiency, there are other player who like to take it slower. And dungeons like food in RL, not everyone wants to slurp it down fast like fast food, some player prefer to savor it slowly and take their time.

This is exactly why people need to speak up and say that they're new/don't want to speedrun....

That is exactly why you can not assume those who are silent are in agreement to speed run. Any number of reasons could lead to to not responding and misinterpretting that can lead to wipes. You can not assume that they will speak up. I would encourage them to, but you can not assume that they are in agreement and ready to so because they are silent.

[AlexionSkylark]

I honestly don't understand not wanting to do runs quickly, except in certain circumstances, such as if there are cutscenes.

Wanna know why you don't understand?
Because you don't LIKE to do dungeons. You think of them as a chore you want to be over with ASAP. You play this game thinking that Coil and Ex Primals are the only thing that matter in the game and everything else is garbage.

Simple as that. Some of us do not think like that, and want to ENJOY the experience of dungeon running. Some of us play this game to, I don't know, having FUN. Instead of thinking of everything in terms of tomestones per hour.

you can only speed run when you have everyone on board, and silent people don't exactly count as being on board.

Cheers

[Jandor]

Sometimes I don't want to speedrun, sometimes I just want to relax and take it steady. I'm in no rush to burn out hammering through content on repeat as fast as possible.


---

Wanna know why you don't understand?
Because you don't LIKE to do dungeons. You think of them as a chore you want to be over with ASAP. You play this game thinking that Coil and Ex Primals are the only thing that matter in the game and everything else is garbage.

Simple as that. Some of us do not think like that, and want to ENJOY the experience of dungeon running.

That's a bit uncalled for Alexion, some people like to speedrun for the challenge. They enjoy the dungeon, just in a different way.
I agree the default should be slow and steady, but even I like to up my usual sloth like pace now and again just to challenge myself .

[LunaHoshino]

That is exactly why you can not assume those who are silent are in agreement to speed run. Any number of reasons could lead to to not responding and misinterpretting that can lead to wipes. You can not assume that they will speak up. I would encourage them to, but you can not assume that they are in agreement and ready to so because they are silent.

If you are directly asked a question ("Are you okay with speedrunning?") and don't respond to it, you forfeit your right to complain when the person asking the question interprets your silence one way or the other. There's just as much responsibility on your side to reply as there is on theirs to ask.

[AlexionSkylark]

some people like to speedrun for the challenge.

The guy spoke like it was highly illogical to run a dungeon in 1 hour if you can do it in 20 minutes. Hence why my conclusion that the higher challenge was not the reason behind his motives.

[NyarukoW]

If you are directly asked a question ("Are you okay with speedrunning?") and don't respond to it, you forfeit your right to complain ....

Incorrect. BTW I always respond, but still your statement is incorrect. NO one can be forced to forfeit anything, much less their right to speak up and complain now or later. Just look at how many people that didn't vote and still complain about Obama. And don't be surprised when they do the opposite of what you'd like in protest.

I would encourage those who can respond to respond, but you can not assume that they will, and you can not impose that responsibility to them, any more than a telemarketer can impose that responsibility to you to answer their robo-calls.

[Lemuria]

If you are directly asked a question ("Are you okay with speedrunning?") and don't respond to it, you forfeit your right to complain when the person asking the question interprets your silence one way or the other. There's just as much responsibility on your side to reply as there is on theirs to ask.

I can think of dozens of reasons why you might be unable to respond, not least of which being that you don't speak the same language.

Silence is NOT the same as agreement.

[TouchandFeel]

Tbh, in my experience with the DF and asking whether people are new, know the dungeon, are cool with multi-group pulls, etc. I more often than not run into people who assume you'll take their silence as a yes or are annoyed that you are even spending the time to ask.

Many times when I have asked such questions, gotten no reply and so asked again , I have been met with "omg, just stfu and pull already!".

As a tank I am the one that most of the time has to make the decision on what to pull and how much, how quickly. Responsible tanks will make these judgments based on prior experience and what they see as the capabilities of the current party, however they can only base such judgments off the information they are provided. If I ask a question, it is because I am trying to gather information so that I can make the best judgment that I can for the good of the team. If you stay silent and do not provide me any information, I just have to go off other information or solely on previous experience which may not line up with you or what you want.

So, seriously, speak up and try to communicate with your team so they know what to expect. If someone asks you a question, try to answer it as best you can. Taking ten seconds at the beginning to establish the situation is much better than wasting minutes later wiping because people didn't bother getting on the same page.

This applies to the tanks as well, don't just do what you want to do without regard to your group. If you want to be the leader, try acting like one. Do what's best for the group and not just yourself.

[SekhmetM]

Wanna know why you don't understand?
Because you don't LIKE to do dungeons. You think of them as a chore you want to be over with ASAP. You play this game thinking that Coil and Ex Primals are the only thing that matter in the game and everything else is garbage.

Simple as that. Some of us do not think like that, and want to ENJOY the experience of dungeon running. Some of us play this game to, I don't know, having FUN. Instead of thinking of everything in terms of tomestones per hour.



Cheers

I'd love to enjoy the experience too but sadly after 51 runs of Sastasha HM I find it hard to offer you my patience.