Pro tip: Tell me you're new to a dungeon /rant

[Whiston]

Logic

THIS!

Don't assume a speed run, don't assume single pulls, don't assume players skill level is equivalent to their gear level.

Instead of thinking "Nobody is new, PULL ALL THE THINGS!!! 111", pull half the things and see how they do. Did they demolish them easily? Now pull all the things. Did you struggle a bit? Pull half the things for the remainder. Did you wipe? Obviously a speed run is not going to happen now.

In my opinion, the fault of a failed speed run as per OP's situation is entirely the tanks fault for being unable to judge the party skill level correctly.

Pro tip, pulling everything and wiping takes substantially longer than splitting that into two pulls to gauge everyone's abilities.

[Mishini_Dracoto]

THIS!

Don't assume a speed run, don't assume single pulls, don't assume players skill level is equivalent to their gear level.

#DoYouEvenTankBro?

Almost nobody wants to sit around at the beginning of the instance, and chat for 10 minutes, to agree on how fast or slow to pull.

For the most part, the pressure is put on the tank to pull at a speed that the part is comfortable with. Since most people want fast, your default speed, should be fast, and slow down as is necessary or preferred by the entire group. but, if I'm right, the OP is merely saying "If you say you are new, or ask me to go slow, I will go slow. If you say nothing, I will go fast." Since MOST people want to go fast, that makes sense. Most of the time, his parties will appreciate it. Don't just start B*(&%ing and moaning because he started fast.

And yes, if you get a party with MNK+DRG, or DRG+MNK, the mobs tend to melt away pretty quickly. That being said, if you pull them one pack at a time, your MNK won't be maintaining perfect balance. I would actually argue, that if you can pull a large group and hold em still, a large pack is still more beneficial, as long as the MNK is good. that's pretty situational though, and if you notice that your MNK appears to be doing it wrong / isn using earthcrusher or w/e AoE they have and spamming it, just pull less, so (s)he stops, so that they DPS properly, and you win.

I agree with the quote "Logic"

I disagree with saying don't make assumptions. I make assumptions all the time. Things like "It's probably safe to breathe the air in my bedroom when I wake up in the morning" "My boss most likely knows what he's talking about when he gives me specific intrusctions" and you know what? Sometimes you are wrong. It's better than the alternative.

[Whiston]

#DoYouEvenTankBro?

nobody wants to sit around at the beginning of the instance, and chat for 10 minutes.

I agree with the quote "Logic"

Oh don't get me wrong, I am entirely sure you and I are in agreement on this, but I may be misunderstood.

When I DF a dungeon, I politely say hi during loading screens, and then I wait for buffs and do a quick check on the other players.

If they're using dreadwyrm weapons or other similar gear, I'll probably pull the whole thing. If they're in i90, I won't assume they are competent to efficiently handle an entire room of mobs.
I entirely agree that most people WANT to go fast, as do I, and I would prefer to pull entire dungeons at once if I can. However, it's similar to carpentry, or having a haircut for instance. How much hair would you like trimmed? Don't sya more than you think because you can't put hair back after it's cut. Similar to a pull, if you pull more than they can handle, you can't "unpull" those mobs, you just die and start again, and wasted time.

Also a players desire to go fast and their ability to go fast are two entirely different entities.
Recently we did a dungeon with a monk, all weathered gear and an Atma weapon who kept saying "Pull more! Go faster!" Meanwhile he was being outDPS'd by a significant amount by the other DPS... and the tank... and the healer.

We continued at a rapid pace pulling 6-8 mobs at once instead of 15. It was to the benefit of the group to do it that way.

[Corfish]

When I DF a dungeon, I politely say hi during loading screens, and then I wait for buffs and do a quick check on the other players.

You might be the only tank in all of Eorzea who is willing to wait 5 seconds for buffs. As a healer it drives me absolutely batty when the tank runs off without SS and Adlo, and I have literally never had one wait for the past few patches =/. They just don't understand how much wiggle room a little bit of prevention gives me...

[Ashkendor]

You might be the only tank in all of Eorzea who is willing to wait 5 seconds for buffs. As a healer it drives me absolutely batty when the tank runs off without SS and Adlo, and I have literally never had one wait for the past few patches =/. They just don't understand how much wiggle room a little bit of prevention gives me...

You might be the only healer in all of Eorzea that actually buffs the tank in a reasonable amount of time without being prodded to do it. As a tank it drives me absolutely batty to stand there staring at the healer while they chat or just plain do nothing for 30 seconds, only to have them cast adlo/stone skin/regen/eye for an eye on me right when I aggro mobs so that 2 out of 3 make a beeline for them. They just don't understand how much extra damage I end up taking when I have to double back for strays instead of staying ahead of the pack.

[Donarudo]

You might be the only tank in all of Eorzea who is willing to wait 5 seconds for buffs. As a healer it drives me absolutely batty when the tank runs off without SS and Adlo, and I have literally never had one wait for the past few patches =/. They just don't understand how much wiggle room a little bit of prevention gives me...

I to do the same. I wait for buffs, check gear...and ask if people want a SR or regular run. People say they are fine with whatever. If we wipe I tone it down.

[NyarukoW]

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For the most part, the pressure is put on the tank to pull at a speed that the part is comfortable with. Since most people want fast, your default speed, should be fast.....

That is a false assumption. The pressure is not on the tank. The pressure is on the healer to heal that mess.

And you do NOT need 10 minutes to ask half-pull, or full pull. No response should imply half or less. And I've done my share of tanking, but when on the DF I do a lot more healing. Tanks that think they set the pace got a can of surprises going their way. Even if I main a DPS class, I heal mostly on DF because the queue is faster although not as fast as tank and I go tank when the healer queue takes too long. But moreover I can make up for a tank screwing it up more as healer, but never the other way around.

And if a tank insist on silent speed pulls, well as a healer I do this, regen, medica2, and then holy spam. Big pulls means I will holy spam the hell out of the mobs. If I time it right, which is 99.9% of the time, all the mobs are dead along with the tank but the rest of the party will be perfectly fine, and if I get it wrong the DPS will live but I will be dead with the tank. In any case, I get to recharge my MP while the tank makes the walk of shame back to the group and so much for the speed run. I won't waste that bene on the tank on a silent speed pull guaranteed. Tanks that want to pull big better be able to take big bunches of hits. The tank better be able to take the heat or get out of the kitchen so to speak.

[Mishini_Dracoto]

That is a false assumption. The pressure is not on the tank. The pressure is on the healer to heal that mess.

The pressure is on the tank to make the party feel happy. Pull the right amount of mobs. You are right, pulling a lot of mobs puts a lot of pressure on the healer. I don't have an arguement. But if the tank doesn't pull a lot of mobs, the DPS don't complain to the healer. They don't votekick the healer. They votekick the tank.

Snip!

Great point Lineage. The whole "GIT GUD NOOB" schtick simply isn't as widespread in this game as people make out.

Exactly. I jumped on board with the OP very quickly. My original posts stated that most of the time, I get full commendations in my duties. Hell, I've outlined my practices on the Forums, and you know what people have to say about me? Well, read my Forum Sig. Recently, I've gotten a few comments about the "wall of text" my opening Macro is. . . but most people either ignore it, or say they love it.

and regarding the gamepad argument, I can easily hit the bow emote, using the menu, in between GCD's.

. . . to which I get more laughter

[Moqi]

But if the tank doesn't pull a lot of mobs, the DPS don't complain to the healer. They don't votekick the healer. They votekick the tank.

That's if they don't get kicked first. As a healer, I have initiated more than one vote kick for DPS who started insulting the tank for not pulling enogh at the first pull.

[Mishini_Dracoto]

That's if they don't get kicked first. As a healer, I have initiated more than one vote kick for DPS who started insulting the tank for not pulling enogh at the first pull.

I am always 100% against vote kicking without a discussion. No matter how bad a dungeon gets, I prefer to educate, and work through the dungeon, without abandoning it. The only time I issue a votekick, is when I give advice, (which as I've stated, is typically only after a wipe or two) and people are still obviously doing the opposite of what I've said. Or if they are obviously trolling. (or doing things like, running out of a boss fight and getting locked out, for no reason)