Pure RNG is the worst thing ever.

[FranSeara]

Sorry, but just like a computer/program/software/alogrithm can not "tell or deem who is worthy", the RNG is not a substitute for fairness.

The way I view it. The way the relic and other RNG elements in this game work to eliminate "Discrimination". No one stop you from solo Q'ing into any Zodiac Df. No one can stop you from getting the zodaic items. No one can stop you from light farming. The RNG in the relic quest is the great Equaizer, no one can stop other then yourself. This beats Raid groups,PF group FCs and many other things in this game. Most player controlled things in this game practice some form of Discrimination. The RNG in the Relic can't discrimate, so Its true fairness. In other words its Consistent. I dont know of any other way you could make this quest work. Other then a skill base quest...which would lead players to discriminate each other.

[Ophie-Mio]

The RNG in the relic quest is the great Equaizer, no one can stop other then yourself. This beats Raid groups,PF group FCs and many other things in this game. Most player controlled things in this game practice some form of Discrimination. The RNG in the Relic can't discrimate, so Its true fairness. In other words its Consistent. I dont know of any other way you could make this quest work. Other then a skill base quest...which would lead players to discriminate each other.

RNG is not an equalizer. Someone can either do it 20+ times and someone else does it once. Sometime has to work hard for all of it and then there's someone who doesn't. The difficulty of the relic is the great equalizer. It being of such low level content means that everyone can do it no matter the skill level.

The other things you mentioned? Raid groups, PF group, FCs, they are all player controlled things that have base standards. You yourself as a player are the only one who can decide if you don't qualify for it. If they want someone with experience for a farm run...if you don't have the experience, that's your fault. Raid groups? They ask for clears or certain percentages...don't have it? Not their fault. They did their work and time for it. You don't need to assemble 8 other people before you decide to have a learning party for relevant content. Look up a PF and join in. That's you and only you preventing yourself from doing that.

And FCs? Rarely do Free companies ever discriminate and if they do, it's because they want a friends only sort of deal. At that point, that's RNG of not meeting someone at the right time.

[Felis]

RNG is not an equalizer. Someone can either do it 20+ times and someone else does it once. Sometime has to work hard for all of it and then there's someone who doesn't.

Nobody get an Atma in the first FATE everytime. Over time (8*12 Atmas) it evens out, give everyone the same average amount of tries

[SendohJin]

The RNG in the relic quest is the great Equaizer, no one can stop other then yourself. This beats Raid groups,PF group FCs and many other things in this game. Most player controlled things in this game practice some form of Discrimination. The RNG in the Relic can't discrimate, so Its true fairness. In other words its Consistent. I dont know of any other way you could make this quest work. Other then a skill base quest...which would lead players to discriminate each other.

"Diamond Dust" is true fairness - contribute to 5 wins you get rewarded. how does that discriminate? how is that less consistent?

[Ophie-Mio]

"Diamond Dust" is true fairness - contribute to 5 wins you get rewarded. how does that discriminate? how is that less consistent?

Because according to Fran Seara, even joining a winning Shiva EX group is a privilege and involving some discrimination. Though to her, seeing "Farm group - Please have cleared" is a discrimination that someone can't necessarily overcome.

[FranSeara]

"Diamond Dust" is true fairness - contribute to 5 wins you get rewarded. how does that discriminate? how is that less consistent?

And I got 30 of them and still no weapon. PRICELESS
But,its Fair. me no cry.

[SendohJin]

And I got 30 of them and still no weapon. PRICELESS
But,its Fair. me no cry.

that's not a problem with the Diamond Dust system is it? that's your RNG being inconsistent and discriminating, how is that MORE fair?

[Risvertasashi]

that's not a problem with the Diamond Dust system is it? that's your RNG being inconsistent and discriminating, how is that MORE fair?

We kinda addressed this argument in previous pages, but Fran keeps going in circles. I wouldn't waste your breath (words/typing/whatever) at this point.

[FranSeara]

Its fair,consistent and non-discrimating because the Odds are always the same. Just like the old atams 2% was consisent because everyone had the same odds. Unlike most raid PF or FCs that set their own rules and openly discrimates "Just like normal human beings. Nothing new here" This is why I feel, the relic quest was taken out of players hands. If you remeber the old days of Titan Hm. No would join your group or help you clear it. Why? they didn't care if you ever fisnish your relic and it was in their best interest to see you fail (run sellers). This how must of the player base acts and I'm glad the relic quest has RNG. Without it players "like" Me wouldnt have stand or have a chance to earn anything good or have anything nice happen to them. IMO

[SendohJin]

Its fair,consistent and non-discrimating because the Odds are always the same. Just like the old atams 2% was consisent because everyone had the same odds. Unlike most raid PF or FCs that set their own rules and openly discrimates "Just like normal human beings.

if every FATE dropped an Atma shard that's a 12th of an Atma for everyone with a Zenith weapon equipped.
if every dungeon dropped a shard that's a quarter of the dungeon drop for Zodiac for everyone with the quests open.

how would those be worse and less fair?

how do you make a PF/FC that would take those out of people's hands?