3 Star token rotation help

[cramerb535]

So I am finally able to 3 star NQ for weaver, gsm, and carpenter but hit a wall. All of the 3 star token HQ rotations have tricks of the trade but never figured I would need it. I have WVR GSM CUL CPT all at 50 and the rest 15. Is there a non ToT rotation to HQ 3 star?

[Gillionaire]

So I am finally able to 3 star NQ for weaver, gsm, and carpenter but hit a wall. All of the 3 star token HQ rotations have tricks of the trade but never figured I would need it. I have WVR GSM CUL CPT all at 50 and the rest 15. Is there a non ToT rotation to HQ 3 star?

I'm gonna need some more details here, but are you referring to the tokens for Manual IIs? The ones you need 3 hq of? Because those are only 3 stars in visuals.. they're probably among the toughest crafts you'll have to do.. You need ToT to get as much cp as possible to bait for an excellent/good condition on your byregots.

BTW, if you're getting into 3 stars, I recommend you get the rest of your classes to 50.. You'll start needing Piece by Piece, Rapid Synthesis, Ingenuity II, Comfort Zone.. pretty much all the level 50 cross classes come into play at 3 stars.. Interestingly, Innovation kinda starts being useless..

If you're uncomfortable with having to rely on RNG and reclaiming, I'd suggest you don't go beyond 3 stars anyway.. Since all the crafts beyond that point is going to be much of the same, if you don't enjoy the gut wrenching feeling of failing hasty touches 3-4 times in a row on a 1.5 million gil craft, you could either increase your bank roll so it hurts less, or you could just stop at 2 stars.

[LineageRazor]

CP is the most important stat a crafter has. The more CP you have, the longer you can keep a synth going and the higher you can pump its quality. So, abilities that EARN you CP, or SAVE you CP are among the most important abilities you have. Comfort Zone and Tricks of the Trade both earn you CP. Hasty Touch and Rapid Synthesis both save you CP.

Rather than ask for a rotation that doesn't use TotT, instead get used to using it. 3- and 4-star synths, you should be mashing TotT pretty much any time you see a Good condition pop up.

If you're asking for an "automatic" macro, one where you can press a button and the macro will grind out a HQ product for you - no such thing exists. Even with optimal gear, it is not currently possible to have enough CP to guarantee a HQ synth on 3- and 4-star crafts (or even a significantly high chance of a HQ synth) without using TotT to extend your CP pool.

[StouterTaru]

Is there a reason that you're against using ToT? These are already <100% recipes, and not having/using important skills makes them even harder. If you keep throwing money at them eventually you can make it, but in the end it would be faster and cheaper just to get your other crafts to 50 and learn how to use the skills.

[Wisdombeer]

If you are referring to Master books II turn in items, then no, you cannot do it without Tricks of the Trade. These are the hardest recipes to HQ in this game (hardest = RNG if you prefer).

Without TOTT, you will get like 15% change of HQ at each craft. That's not enough when it comes to Fieldcraft demima III x2 recipe. You'll throw away millions of gils for your crafts.

If you want to become a 4* crafter, I would advice you to get all your crafts at 50 to unlock all the cross class skills. This is not such a big deal with Ixaly daily quests. They are doing tons of xp.

If you get all your crafts at 50, just click this link for the turn in tokens rotation (one page of my personal crafting rotations guide).

[Giantbane]

So I am finally able to 3 star NQ for weaver, gsm, and carpenter but hit a wall. All of the 3 star token HQ rotations have tricks of the trade but never figured I would need it. I have WVR GSM CUL CPT all at 50 and the rest 15. Is there a non ToT rotation to HQ 3 star?

What are you talking about? ToT is a level 15 alchemist ability. Why would you not have this?

Unless you're talking about Comfort Zone (level 50 alc ability)? You *can* do anything without comfort zone, it's just going to be harder to do.

[Xenosan]

@OP

Short Answer: No.

As others have said, you need to lvl up your other classes. BSM ARM and ALC especially

You'll be using their lvl50 actions fo shizzle

Edit: Any method without CZ, Ing2, PbP would require a lot of good RNG that you're never going to get.

[Stupiduglytaru]

As stated level other jobs to 50 even with max melds everything 50 these are purely luck based with a tiny amount of skill required

RNG RNG RNG RNG RNG

last night did my wvr book, iq5 popped waste not II had 11 attempts of hasty available...got 1

[Wisdombeer]

last night did my wvr book, iq5 popped waste not II had 11 attempts of hasty available...got 1

You are seriously crafting with Waste Not II ? That's to my opinion the worst skill ever. Probably the only one I never used. The problem with it is it's very not adaptable. It's the most cost efficient only on paper. Master Mend II and Manipulation is the only way !!
(have a look at my rotations guide in my sign if you want, there is a rotation dedicated to these tokens, I did 3/8 master books II with only 8 FCIII lost)

[Stupiduglytaru]

Wisdombeer if cp is available waste not and waste not II are viable its alot of cp efficient than MM
I would only cross skill waste not I, did my gsm books last night in 3 hq in 5 attempts
8 steps for 142 cp? (includes SHII) vs 160 master meld 6 steps vs 92 for 3 steps?
If cp is not the issue but pure quality increases are needed its the way to go
Waste not I still allows you to take 1 good whilsit maintaining its 4 steps
For 3star and 4 star mat making i use waste not in my rotation and HQ these very easily from nq mats
I would rather use my rotations offering 12-14 touches