Mini-Lottery: Maybe a BIT more fairness?

[RobinRethiel]

OP stop acting like you speak for everyone in this game. Many people such as myself have never even seen a Cactpot ticket where 10k was an option, yet you are the only one on here pouting about it. Oh I only got 300 on my last ticket, big deal it is a lottery anyone who chooses to play it knows exactly what it is. You act like people lose their lottery ticket (or even if they win but not the jackpot) and feel bad about it when I have never seen a single person outside yourself complain about it. Randomness will exist in a casino, RNG/grind will exist in an MMO. If you don't enjoy it, don't do it.

I speak not for everyone, just for the mass of casual and normal gamers. And they are the majority. You people know nothing about game development and the statistics of MMO's. But you think you do. That's the main problem in your argumentation (if there is any).

I might still be drunk but, all ive heard you say is waaah waaah waaah(yes I read the entire thread!).

If you really would have read the thread, you should have noticed, that I give a shit about childish insults.

Okay. I'm honestly asking this. How does a MMO not have grind, and stay in business? How does a MMO keep people from just blowing through all content, and then leaving?

90%+ of MMO gamers don't blown through content in the first place. And I can repeat it: you hold players with FUN.

"Fun comes first. If it isn't fun, you're doing it wrong." -Naoki Yoshida
See, he knows it. It does not work out as planed sometimes, thing like that happen, but he knows, what is important. Grind - by its definition - is never fun.

I made by far enough examples, what you can do to avoid grinding. If you don't understand it or ignore it, fine.

Maybe the main problem is, that most of you are so much into grinding, that you can not even think of something else anymore. That you can not accept the idea, that something could be fun just for itself. And that it is nothing to be proud of, to do something easy 10.000 times. It's unhealthy, for your your brain and moutharm, that's all.

You see, below 5% of people (most times even less) are grinding. If a developer starts to focus his game on these few people, he acts against the other 95%+. And that without a single reason, since it would be easy to give the people, for example, a normal Fenrir and a grinder Fenrir. Those 95% still can have fun and you can grind the shit out of it, to get your golden uber fenrir. Would cost them almost nothing to do this and no one would have to leave

[Nyghtmarerobu]

"Fun comes first. If it isn't fun, you're doing it wrong." -Naoki Yoshida
See, he knows it. It does not work out as planed sometimes, thing like that happen, but he knows, what is important. Grind

This is intresting, but lets break this down. Fun to people is subjective. What they deem as fun, and what you or other deem as fun are 2 different things. What your failing to grasp is that, your not having fun, by losing. But we can't all be winners. People have to lose.

[Mordermi]

I made by far enough examples, what you can do to avoid grinding. If you don't understand it or ignore it, fine.

You have not actually given real examples of how to avoid grinding. You just say things like "If it's fun, then it's not grinding." Also, grinding can be fun. I'm grinding by playing TT over and over for MPG, or to get cards, but I have fun playing TT.

[MomomiMomi]

Maybe the main problem is, that most of you are so much into grinding, that you can not even think of something else anymore. That you can not accept the idea, that something could be fun just for itself. And that it is nothing to be proud of, to do something easy 10.000 times. It's unhealthy, for your your brain and moutharm, that's all.

Maybe the main problem is that you can't accept that these things are fun just by themselves, and that doing them repeatedly and earning all the MGP you need is just a result of doing it for fun.

[Brightsayge]

oh and you should not be cussing, that is very immature of you.

[Brightsayge]

If you really would have read the thread, you should have noticed, that I give a shit about childish insults.

not an insult, just a fact.

[VenuzKh]

"Fun comes first. If it isn't fun, you're doing it wrong." -Naoki Yoshida
See, he knows it. It does not work out as planed sometimes, thing like that happen, but he knows, what is important. Grind - by its definition - is never fun.

An MMORPG is by desing a grind. Getting tomes is a grind, leveling classes is a grind, getting Dreadwyrm gear is a grind, getting the special mounts is a grind. Everything is a grind. And if it wasnt nobody would play. Everyone would have full their Dreamwyrm sets after one down. Cause if you they; its a grind. It's the only way mmorpgs work. It would be impossible to create enough content if there wasnt a grind. How long the grinds is for certain items can be discussed, but I think Square Enix is really good as making the grind shorter / better when the content is not brand new. Older coils is easier / more PUg friendly, relic grind is shortened. Not many other mmorpgs I have played have really done this.

If you want that new shiny right now; get to it and grind! Or you can wait and it will probably be made easier in the future and more people will have it and also making it less special.

I've grinded Gaius enough that I've had way more than 99 of eatch of his two common cards. But thats cause I want that card NOW, even tho it probably will be faster to get in the future. RNG & grind; its the nature of the beast.

[Whiston]

I speak not for everyone, just for the mass of casual and normal gamers.

I find this very interesting that you've put yourself up on this pedestal.

You say you speak for the mass of gamers, yet here, in this thread, is a representation of the typical gamer.
I have seen many threads in this forum, with many of the people agreeing, disagreeing, having conflicting opinions and varying gamestyles.
I would say this forum is a very accurate representation of the mass population of FFXIV players.

And yet, here you stand alone, on your pedestal, with absolutely nobody agreeing with the words you continuously spout out.
Has it ever occurred to you that you in fact do NOT speak for the mass majority, as we are here, some fortunate enough to win the grand prize, some having never even seen it, some grinding MGP for their mounts, others not even stepping foot in the gold saucer yet, and unanimously, we are all saying - there is absolutely nothing wrong with the system.

[RobinRethiel]

You say you speak for the mass of gamers, yet here, in this thread, is a representation of the typical gamer.
I have seen many threads in this forum, with many of the people agreeing, disagreeing, having conflicting opinions and varying gamestyles.
I would say this forum is a very accurate representation of the mass population of FFXIV players..

Not in the slightest. Do you really think, especially casual gamers are caring for forums? Really?

So lets compare your mini-lottery to chocobo racing. Despite not winning the 10k, you still win SOMETHING. So technically your not losing either, your just not winning the full amount. I don't defend the grind, I deal with it because I want to be the best. There are other reasons to do things than fun. I'm also not forcing you to my way of fun, because you know what, if your not having fun, then you need to just leave, and the door is over there. No one forces you to play, but I'd assume you enjoy the rest of the game, and you've made a lot of friends, so why are you letting this thing bother you so much? Either way, you have cheesburgers in your ears, done trying to explain anything to you, and I suggest others just leave this thread alone, and let her rant in peace.

You can lose. And you can pretty much win nothing. That happens to many people.

And I will not go. No matter how much all of you are murmuring. None of you would lose anything. Still you cry havoc, as if someone would try to steal your cookies. Yes, I got many friends, I hear, what they say, what they like, dislike and I also care about others, who are not my friends, but people, people who are playing the same game, are paying the same money and deserve to have fun, too. To have more fun, not less, just because they have to work, can't play so much or want to play with their FRIENDS, instead of grinding a lifeless NPC for weeks.

I know you are wrong, everyone can see this, because you are not even defending your own point, you are only attacking that of others, out of simple resentment. Others should not have fun, too. It's like those little apes, who don't like their fruits anymore, if others get them, too.

If you want to feel special, do something else than playing a game. Because it is nothing special. Especially not grinding. If you want to have something unique, draw a picture or carve a piece of soap. Don't rant against others in a CO-OP game.

Just be honest: You would hate the idea, that some more people got a Fenrir, Turtle or a Gambler outfit. That's the only reason for your hate. Because yours would not be so special anymore. And that's just **** sad.

[CYoung187]

Not in the slightest. Do you really think, especially casual gamers are caring for forums? Really?

Good thing they have you here to be their one true voice. Keep fighting the man brother, you are the modern day MLK.